1 00:00:14,060 --> 00:00:10,830 hello everybody welcome to another 2 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:14,070 podcast from myself Chris Evers of 3 00:00:19,859 --> 00:00:17,320 inside our limits and Philip mantel my 4 00:00:21,179 --> 00:00:19,869 co-host I feel I will good evening Chris 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:21,189 I'm fine thank you 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:24,130 good and very glad to hear that so well 7 00:00:29,089 --> 00:00:26,890 we got today Phil well today's guest 8 00:00:31,109 --> 00:00:29,099 yeah it's someone I've been 9 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:31,119 communicating with for a number of years 10 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:36,070 now and it is Spiros malarious we 11 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:38,440 thought it would be rather apt to have 12 00:00:45,569 --> 00:00:41,350 Spiros as our guest this evening after 13 00:00:49,380 --> 00:00:45,579 these appearance recently on BBC TV's 14 00:00:52,319 --> 00:00:49,390 The One Show and of course people will 15 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:52,329 probably be aware that Spiros is the man 16 00:00:55,170 --> 00:00:54,489 who led the team that faked the alien 17 00:00:57,389 --> 00:00:55,180 autopsy 18 00:01:00,569 --> 00:00:57,399 a Nebraska yeah that's what he was 19 00:01:01,349 --> 00:01:00,579 talking about on the BBC so he's with us 20 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:01,359 tonight 21 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:03,910 that's brilliant fantastic spear off see 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:06,970 you there how are you good evening good 23 00:01:14,969 --> 00:01:12,490 evening to you sir how are you good bit 24 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:14,979 cold down south you're in London you 25 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:16,750 know what a proper northerner like me 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:21,670 and Phil so Spiros what I want to do 27 00:01:26,069 --> 00:01:24,130 straightaway is yeah I want to know the 28 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:26,079 answer to the magic trick he was doing 29 00:01:32,819 --> 00:01:29,280 on TV the other day what was that about 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:32,829 well it wasn't a magic trick I did say 31 00:01:40,139 --> 00:01:36,130 specifically several times that it was 32 00:01:41,550 --> 00:01:40,149 an experiment and I said to Samantha you 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:41,560 know there's nothing to find here it's 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:43,210 not like it's not a puzzle it's not 35 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:45,250 there isn't a method for you to decipher 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:48,479 it's gonna be what it will be and 37 00:01:55,740 --> 00:01:52,210 genuinely I took along a piece of a bit 38 00:01:57,929 --> 00:01:55,750 of rock that I found in Roswell and I 39 00:02:00,690 --> 00:01:57,939 played up a little bit you know it's all 40 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:00,700 show business but the fact is is a piece 41 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:03,520 of stone that I picked up from the 42 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:07,390 supposed crash site in Roswell from just 43 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:11,370 just on the edge of Mac Brazel ranch and 44 00:02:18,289 --> 00:02:14,110 it was unusual it was very very unusual 45 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:18,299 is it's got a very unusual feel to it 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:21,160 it's got metal particles in it you you 47 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:22,090 know when you look at it 48 00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:26,140 it sparkles and when you hold it it has 49 00:02:31,949 --> 00:02:28,540 there's a it's a feeling you get from it 50 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:31,959 I can't really describe it I'm the 51 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:34,840 world's biggest cynic by the way so if 52 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:36,910 you said to me I've got this stone from 53 00:02:43,559 --> 00:02:41,350 a UFO crash site and it's special I 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:43,569 would be the one telling you that you're 55 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:48,250 mad okay so so take that for what it is 56 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:50,380 that'll be nice talking point you know 57 00:02:54,210 --> 00:02:52,270 be nice little talking point and just to 58 00:02:57,690 --> 00:02:54,220 see now I did get that effect in the 59 00:03:02,340 --> 00:02:57,700 studio twice in rehearsals and both 60 00:03:04,890 --> 00:03:02,350 times it worked and it subs or live 61 00:03:06,809 --> 00:03:04,900 wantin to be be it didn't work but to be 62 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:06,819 fair we did have we did have a lot of 63 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:09,190 pressure the director was hassle in a 64 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:10,780 hurry up hurry up we haven't got time 65 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:13,420 hurry up hurry up so she she was forced 66 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:15,580 into making a quick decision rather than 67 00:03:20,940 --> 00:03:19,510 doing what I was asking her to do so it 68 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:20,950 is what it is listen it's not the end of 69 00:03:28,289 --> 00:03:26,049 the world yeah I wasn't there I wasn't 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:28,299 there to do magic I was there to talk 71 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:31,090 about the alien autopsy I think we did 72 00:03:35,940 --> 00:03:34,420 that well I mean the phone hasn't 73 00:03:38,699 --> 00:03:35,950 stopped ringing I've had a lot of a lot 74 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:38,709 of offers all over the place for 75 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:43,390 different things and so it was it was 76 00:03:46,410 --> 00:03:45,190 worthwhile and if you said to me do you 77 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:46,420 want to do it again would you do it 78 00:03:50,490 --> 00:03:48,970 again and it would have to be exactly 79 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:50,500 the same I will do it again exactly the 80 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:54,120 same absolutely absolutely Emily so 81 00:04:11,039 --> 00:03:57,280 let's go back in town how would you get 82 00:04:12,870 --> 00:04:11,049 involved with the alien autopsy short if 83 00:04:14,849 --> 00:04:12,880 you want to embellish if you want 84 00:04:19,409 --> 00:04:14,859 embellish it will go further into things 85 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:19,419 long story short I was going to can with 86 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:23,320 a film crew I was doing quite a buffing 87 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:25,990 can yeah for those of people listening 88 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:28,000 that don't know what happens in care and 89 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:31,450 four times a year there is a different 90 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:33,550 market for various aspects of show 91 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:35,950 business so there's me 92 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:38,950 which is a music fair if you like 93 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:41,230 there's MIPCOM which is more 94 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:44,080 technology-based so computer games that 95 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:47,830 sort of thing and there's MIPTV which is 96 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:50,650 television based just purely television 97 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:52,780 I mean you've got cam Film Festival 98 00:04:57,750 --> 00:04:54,760 which is film I think that one that most 99 00:04:59,700 --> 00:04:57,760 people know really yeah but in the 100 00:05:02,820 --> 00:04:59,710 business if you're in the business of 101 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:02,830 selling TV shows for example or that's 102 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,390 where you go and if you're in the 103 00:05:06,570 --> 00:05:06,160 business of buying TV shows that's where 104 00:05:08,910 --> 00:05:06,580 you go 105 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:08,920 so people need something they do 106 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:10,900 business okay so you go out there quite 107 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:13,540 a lot until the very companies and he's 108 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:15,580 occurred to me at the time that I was 109 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:19,300 taking a crew out to tucán to do two 110 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:20,110 bits filming 111 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:22,360 once the Warner Brothers and one for EMI 112 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:26,020 and and I thought what I'm out there 113 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:27,550 let's see if anybody want to hire us 114 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:30,340 because you know to get a crew out there 115 00:05:34,380 --> 00:05:31,810 is an expensive thing if they're already 116 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:34,390 there that's already taken a big lump of 117 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:38,290 the cost lot for somebody so in those 118 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:42,400 days we had fax machines so I faxed I 119 00:05:47,850 --> 00:05:44,560 opened the catalogue of the people are 120 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:47,860 going to be at the at the medium fair 121 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:52,030 and and I just sent four faxes out to 122 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:53,890 various people to say that we're gonna 123 00:05:58,830 --> 00:05:55,630 be in town do you need us for anything 124 00:06:01,890 --> 00:05:58,840 and while I was looking at who's gonna 125 00:06:05,550 --> 00:06:01,900 be there I noticed a company called 126 00:06:07,860 --> 00:06:05,560 Merlin which was Ray Santilli the 127 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:07,870 company and the reason it attracted me 128 00:06:10,830 --> 00:06:09,850 was because it was local to me and I 129 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:10,840 thought well I don't know who these 130 00:06:13,770 --> 00:06:12,130 people are 131 00:06:16,050 --> 00:06:13,780 if nothing else even if they don't need 132 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:16,060 me there might be some business down the 133 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:19,090 line we can do so it'd be nice to meet 134 00:06:25,710 --> 00:06:23,560 them so I sent the fax and I got a I got 135 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:25,720 a call back from Sen Tilly and he 136 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:29,080 basically said I don't need any filming 137 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:31,300 but it would be nice if we met you only 138 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:32,710 run the corner from us and we're doing 139 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:36,310 stuff all the time so that's how that's 140 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:39,160 how I met Santilli and when I met him in 141 00:06:45,630 --> 00:06:42,430 France he told me that he had an alien 142 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:45,640 autopsy film and he wanted me to look at 143 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:48,940 it and to possibly make documentaries 144 00:06:54,210 --> 00:06:49,450 from it 145 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:54,220 what year was this Spiros this was the 146 00:07:05,280 --> 00:06:58,450 night it was in early 1995 if I recall 147 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:05,290 correctly it was January right and when 148 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:09,850 I lived quite a long time before he 149 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:12,310 volunteered that he had a an alien 150 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:16,770 autopsy film when he told me that my 151 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:19,540 shoulders dropped and I just thought oh 152 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:21,670 no I just wasted the whole evening with 153 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:24,940 this guy and you know he just dropped 154 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:27,070 that bombshell no okay okay 155 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:29,230 I'll go with it you never know what I'm 156 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:31,600 gonna wear what it's gonna be so he 157 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:33,640 suggested we meet up when we go back to 158 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:35,380 London we'll meet up at some point and 159 00:07:41,070 --> 00:07:39,250 he'll show me the film so I went along 160 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:41,080 and he showed me that what we know now 161 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:45,910 is 1/10 footage and I just looked at it 162 00:07:51,780 --> 00:07:48,190 and I knew it wasn't real fun from the 163 00:07:56,820 --> 00:07:51,790 get-go because it it showed signs of 164 00:08:00,210 --> 00:07:56,830 glitches which were which were it's what 165 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:00,220 synonymous with video videotape but the 166 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:02,020 particular glitches I saw the sort of 167 00:08:09,930 --> 00:08:05,620 thing in time when we did this when we 168 00:08:13,050 --> 00:08:09,940 had his meeting jvc had released a VHS 169 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:13,060 camera it had took a full-size VHS tape 170 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:19,090 and it was at a camcorder and it had 171 00:08:23,340 --> 00:08:21,910 this it had this issue where it created 172 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:23,350 a glitch every time you started and 173 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:26,770 stopped filming not very noticeable but 174 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:28,210 if you know what you're looking for it's 175 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:31,420 there so and I noticed that as it 176 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:33,970 happens I was actually wrong at that 177 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:36,640 time because I I assumed it was shot on 178 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:38,740 VHS 179 00:08:45,950 --> 00:08:41,680 I now know it was shot on location attic 180 00:08:48,830 --> 00:08:45,960 which is again another lobe and another 181 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:48,840 format which suffered the same same 182 00:08:55,830 --> 00:08:52,990 glitches but in any event though I knew 183 00:09:01,140 --> 00:08:55,840 it was it was shot on video so I told 184 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:01,150 him that it wasn't real and then the 185 00:09:06,930 --> 00:09:02,860 rest is history you know 186 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:06,940 I said I could make it properly and and 187 00:09:12,570 --> 00:09:09,670 that's what happened well before we we 188 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:12,580 going to this or detail Spiros yeah you 189 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:15,520 know what why where and when they'll be 190 00:09:21,390 --> 00:09:18,160 those out there that don't know of 191 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:21,400 anything about your background okay you 192 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:23,980 know who is Spiros malarious you know on 193 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:28,230 how did you get from your beginnings to 194 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:30,490 meeting Santilli what happened in 195 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:31,210 between 196 00:09:42,990 --> 00:09:39,070 okay my background from school and well 197 00:09:47,180 --> 00:09:43,000 since I was six years old I had two 198 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:47,190 hobbies and the first hobby was 199 00:09:54,030 --> 00:09:50,770 filmmaking and the second was magic 200 00:09:56,490 --> 00:09:54,040 and equal that I did them in equal 201 00:09:59,490 --> 00:09:56,500 proportions and when I when I started to 202 00:10:02,040 --> 00:09:59,500 to start shoot shoot films I'll be using 203 00:10:05,370 --> 00:10:02,050 a little cine camera when I started 204 00:10:09,930 --> 00:10:05,380 making films I was using bits of magic 205 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:09,940 that I knew within the filmmaking so so 206 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:12,310 those two things were a mainstay of my 207 00:10:19,290 --> 00:10:15,970 life and still are my father was a motor 208 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:19,300 mechanic and I used to go to his 209 00:10:26,340 --> 00:10:21,520 workshop on the weekends whenever I 210 00:10:31,310 --> 00:10:26,350 could to help him so I became familiar 211 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:31,320 with with motor cars and engineering so 212 00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:35,490 so I have that background also I 213 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:37,750 actually qualified as a motor vehicle 214 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:40,690 mechanic as well 215 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:43,510 my mum I'm telling you this because it's 216 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:47,170 all pertinent occasion autopsy my mum at 217 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:50,260 the same time had a dress making factory 218 00:10:57,690 --> 00:10:55,090 and in school holidays I would go to the 219 00:11:00,930 --> 00:10:57,700 to her Factory and help wherever I could 220 00:11:03,150 --> 00:11:00,940 there and I generally ended up in the 221 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:03,160 cutting room and what that means is I 222 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:05,650 used to help the cutter lay out patterns 223 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:09,580 on multiple layers of material and then 224 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:11,410 he would then lay out the patterns to 225 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:13,510 work out how much which is the best 226 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:15,730 position for each piece to get the 227 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:18,810 most of the rollers of cloth okay so 228 00:11:23,310 --> 00:11:21,490 because I was there helping him I learnt 229 00:11:26,850 --> 00:11:23,320 an awful lot about that too and that 230 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:26,860 came in handy later so I have that that 231 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:28,350 background as well 232 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:35,110 when I was 21 I decided that I didn't 233 00:11:40,579 --> 00:11:37,750 want to be in the motor industry and I 234 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:40,589 wanted to be in in film and television 235 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:45,910 so I worked for the BBC I as an 236 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:50,110 apprentice and soon realized that the 237 00:11:55,980 --> 00:11:52,930 protocol in the BBC at the time was was 238 00:11:58,610 --> 00:11:55,990 I don't know how to say this tactfully 239 00:12:01,170 --> 00:11:58,620 but I wasn't a public school boy and 240 00:12:04,079 --> 00:12:01,180 because of that I spent a lot of time 241 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:04,089 making teas and coffees whilst other 242 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:06,430 other lads that joined the BBC at the 243 00:12:12,410 --> 00:12:08,260 same time as me were actually working on 244 00:12:14,490 --> 00:12:12,420 the on the on the studio floor and I 245 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:14,500 decided well you know I'm not gonna get 246 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:18,550 anywhere here fast so I went on my own 247 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:20,800 and I became a freelance videographer 248 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:26,079 and I was making music videos initially 249 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:29,920 for small bands eventually for very 250 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:32,220 major artists for big for big companies 251 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:35,649 so that's my background 252 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:43,240 I did a bit of TV in about 1980 I think 253 00:12:51,210 --> 00:12:45,130 there might have been 85 or 86 254 00:12:53,819 --> 00:12:51,220 I met John Humphrys wife Isabelle who 255 00:12:55,769 --> 00:12:53,829 was kissing out a restaurant that I I 256 00:12:58,740 --> 00:12:55,779 bought a restaurant and sold it to this 257 00:13:01,699 --> 00:12:58,750 guy and I took a year off at that point 258 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:01,709 and I got into stained-glass windows I 259 00:13:07,710 --> 00:13:03,850 was making I was making stained-glass 260 00:13:09,449 --> 00:13:07,720 windows for a hobby and and Steve Hudson 261 00:13:10,889 --> 00:13:09,459 the guy that bought the shop said to me 262 00:13:16,259 --> 00:13:10,899 could you make me a stained-glass window 263 00:13:18,930 --> 00:13:16,269 of lillie langtry because the building 264 00:13:22,199 --> 00:13:18,940 was apparently Lantry frequented the 265 00:13:24,569 --> 00:13:22,209 building no lira Langtry what wasn't she 266 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:24,579 am the mistress of it was it King Edward 267 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:29,500 the seventh very impressed yes she was 268 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:35,440 and so I did that and I met Isabel who 269 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:36,730 was making the curtains to the 270 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:38,680 restaurant and de poele upholstery and 271 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:42,480 stuff and I needed a face painted onto 272 00:13:49,769 --> 00:13:47,410 the onto the stained glass window and in 273 00:13:52,110 --> 00:13:49,779 a specific way and she said you know my 274 00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:52,120 husband could do that for you he's an 275 00:13:56,189 --> 00:13:54,040 artist and that's how I met John 276 00:13:59,189 --> 00:13:56,199 Humphrys we became best friends 277 00:14:05,150 --> 00:13:59,199 immediately yeah I explained Oh Humphrey 278 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:05,160 jeez later on but carry on okay so so 279 00:14:10,579 --> 00:14:08,170 all of these little bits of things that 280 00:14:12,749 --> 00:14:10,589 happened in my life 281 00:14:14,939 --> 00:14:12,759 served me well women made the alien 282 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:14,949 autopsy because it wasn't just about 283 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:17,560 making a movie it was about it wasn't 284 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:20,110 about making a piece of magic it was 285 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:22,990 about making the props and some of the 286 00:14:28,110 --> 00:14:25,300 props I bought a lot of the props but 287 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:28,120 making some of the props making the 288 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:30,730 table for example the autopsy table what 289 00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:32,769 my background in panel beating of cars 290 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:35,920 came in very useful we just sold it 291 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:37,630 there for one second because we I think 292 00:14:43,470 --> 00:14:40,420 we've we've got a good bass per year 293 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:43,480 multi talents from dressmaking to car 294 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:47,250 mechanics you know film photography 295 00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:50,769 magic that are all rolled into one feels 296 00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:53,680 that for those that are not aware what 297 00:15:00,449 --> 00:14:56,790 you refer to as the the 10th footage 298 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:00,459 wasn't made by you know that was made by 299 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:03,579 a chap called Keith Bateman now pieced 300 00:15:10,439 --> 00:15:08,110 again didn't work directly for Santilli 301 00:15:12,929 --> 00:15:10,449 he used to work with him I think Keith 302 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:12,939 used to make a lot of karaoke videos and 303 00:15:20,370 --> 00:15:15,490 that cannot keep fit videos that kind of 304 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:20,380 thing and from what I've learned it was 305 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:23,410 one of Keith's employees they used to 306 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:25,420 they called it a brainstorming session 307 00:15:30,809 --> 00:15:28,089 Spiros but basically that's it about rap 308 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:30,819 having a laugh that's you come up with 309 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:32,680 the ideas of what they could do next 310 00:15:39,809 --> 00:15:36,040 then this chap is called Philip jamming 311 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:39,819 was reading a book about Roswell and he 312 00:15:43,740 --> 00:15:41,050 said I want it'd be great to have some 313 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:43,750 Roswell footage now I met Keith bleh 314 00:15:50,130 --> 00:15:46,720 and he's got a terrific wicked sense of 315 00:15:55,140 --> 00:15:50,140 humor yeah which with the greatest 316 00:15:57,900 --> 00:15:55,150 respect I think you have as well yeah 317 00:15:58,740 --> 00:15:57,910 well you know he's took that idea and 318 00:16:02,010 --> 00:15:58,750 run with it 319 00:16:04,620 --> 00:16:02,020 and he filmed what what is now the tenth 320 00:16:07,410 --> 00:16:04,630 footage on a farm in Bedford sure yeah 321 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:07,420 and the aliens head that you can see on 322 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:09,940 it is a polystyrene head he put some 323 00:16:15,330 --> 00:16:12,850 orange peel over for the eyes and so on 324 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:15,340 and it was that piece of 10th forties 325 00:16:25,460 --> 00:16:18,790 that Santilli shield to you and others 326 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:25,470 myself included in in early 1995 and 327 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:27,790 Santilli had basically said to Keith 328 00:16:34,290 --> 00:16:29,710 Bateman on your bike this isn't good 329 00:16:35,790 --> 00:16:34,300 enough come back with a figure of how 330 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:35,800 much it would cost to make a real one 331 00:16:42,270 --> 00:16:37,810 you know something that was more 332 00:16:45,510 --> 00:16:42,280 appealing and Keith being the karna Lodi 333 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:45,520 was he actually went and got a quote and 334 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:50,140 it was pretty much near what what was 335 00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:53,590 used but then Keith Tucker as it as it 336 00:16:58,980 --> 00:16:55,840 would normally do he put his on three 337 00:17:02,370 --> 00:16:58,990 planets on top of that which which put 338 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:02,380 the project out of Santa Lee's reach as 339 00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:04,600 far as finance was concerned but 340 00:17:10,410 --> 00:17:07,390 nonetheless Santa Lee had been the money 341 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:10,420 is kept the Ted footage you know see you 342 00:17:14,819 --> 00:17:12,850 later mr. Bateman but the idea you know 343 00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:14,829 was sown and that's that's where it 344 00:17:24,060 --> 00:17:19,240 began and then lo and behold you meet 345 00:17:26,939 --> 00:17:24,070 him in in in France and for those who 346 00:17:29,970 --> 00:17:26,949 have got a memory Santi Lee's office was 347 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:29,980 on Baulkham Street in London yeah and 348 00:17:34,170 --> 00:17:31,810 Baulkham Street is famous for the 349 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:34,180 Iranian embassy siege of course when and 350 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:37,210 the SAS stormed it and blew it to bits 351 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:41,220 and shut all the terrorists pretty much 352 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:44,470 so he we asked but oh so you've seen the 353 00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:48,370 tent footage you thought well this is 354 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:52,870 not brilliant it's on some video film so 355 00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:56,710 how did we get from piece of video of it 356 00:18:00,720 --> 00:17:57,280 on that was my 357 00:18:04,410 --> 00:18:00,730 a bomb in Bedfordshire by Keith Bateman 358 00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:04,420 to you and your friends becoming 359 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:06,460 involved in making what we now know as 360 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:08,290 the alien autopsy film how did he all 361 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:11,170 unravel before I answer that question 362 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:13,390 let me confirm something as well because 363 00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:17,140 I've been in the scenario you know this 364 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:20,200 brainstorming session you described yeah 365 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:22,600 yeah I have been in that environment 366 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:26,910 with Sen Tilley a number of times 367 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:29,230 because I worked with him quite a lot 368 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:32,830 after the after game up see I did I did 369 00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:41,850 recentlly thinks he has lots of good 370 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:45,220 ideas right what in actual fact he has 371 00:18:51,390 --> 00:18:48,220 is a number of stupid ideas which I have 372 00:19:04,880 --> 00:18:51,400 mileage okay I nearly laughed then I was 373 00:19:10,860 --> 00:19:07,260 right and I know it's going to be stupid 374 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:10,870 okay but what it does though it sparks a 375 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:14,020 germ of an idea and then he relies on 376 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:18,850 other people to then hide it out yeah oh 377 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:21,910 you know what it won't work that way but 378 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:24,070 this will this will work and then you 379 00:19:28,770 --> 00:19:26,290 find a different route and it's the 380 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:28,780 original idea idea gets diluted to this 381 00:19:33,660 --> 00:19:30,100 but you end up with something quite 382 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:33,670 valuable okay so I've been in that 383 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:38,410 environment he he has an enthusiasm he's 384 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:40,570 a very charming man right you know he 385 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:45,520 has an enthusiasm and it spurs other 386 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:47,830 people on and and that's a great trait 387 00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:51,250 that yes but the bottom line is pound 388 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,840 note signs you know that's all he sees 389 00:19:58,850 --> 00:19:55,120 dollar signs and pound note signs how 390 00:20:02,760 --> 00:19:58,860 can we make this into money but he uses 391 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:02,770 artists to create so that he can then 392 00:20:07,050 --> 00:20:05,740 monetize it so that I did that whole 393 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:07,060 thing will you say well they were 394 00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:10,330 brainstorming well that would have that 395 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:11,080 would have 396 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:12,880 I believe so I wasn't there but I 397 00:20:19,139 --> 00:20:16,870 believe sanctity will the planted the 398 00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,149 germ of wouldn't it be good if we had a 399 00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:20,799 nagging autopsy and then somebody else 400 00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:23,980 you know stories change as they go but 401 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:26,980 his role sent it his role is usually to 402 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:29,080 say something ridiculous that's a 403 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:31,480 ridiculous suggestion is you let's make 404 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:32,980 an alien autopsy it's actually a 405 00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:35,590 ridiculous Egyptian right until you meet 406 00:20:42,389 --> 00:20:39,220 an idiot like me says you know what we 407 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:42,399 could do that and I get excited because 408 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:44,710 of the challenge right but the idea 409 00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:47,860 actually is stupid we think you'd 100% 410 00:20:53,879 --> 00:20:49,750 right because what Keith Bateman told 411 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:53,889 told me when I met him is exactly that 412 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:55,570 and then work pretty much the same 413 00:21:00,930 --> 00:20:57,490 Spiros yeah they will come up with the 414 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:00,940 most crazy ideas and it would go from 415 00:21:06,210 --> 00:21:04,510 that for example Keith had a this is 416 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:06,220 just to give you a people out there 417 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:08,049 listening an idea of how these people 418 00:21:13,649 --> 00:21:11,590 worked this was an area when a lot of 419 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:13,659 the keep fit videos when I worked what 420 00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:17,110 on the go and there was a big market for 421 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:20,559 them so Keith in his infinite wisdom had 422 00:21:29,639 --> 00:21:23,710 this idea of doing a naked keep the big 423 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:29,649 to him you know he hired three people 424 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:32,260 from the adult film business shall we 425 00:21:38,669 --> 00:21:36,070 say two men sorry two women in a man you 426 00:21:40,379 --> 00:21:38,679 know have them doing keep fit in the new 427 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:40,389 there was nothing else that would just 428 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:41,830 keep fit in the new would he thought 429 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:45,460 this was a great idea so in he showed it 430 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:47,470 to someone he spent X amount of pounds 431 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:48,100 on it 432 00:21:53,789 --> 00:21:51,220 and he showed it to somebody who was 433 00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:53,799 actually a keep fit instructor and I 434 00:21:59,009 --> 00:21:56,409 said well you can't release it because 435 00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,019 the various moves they're doing are not 436 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:01,600 correct people get hurt themselves yeah 437 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:04,470 yeah well Keith had blown his budget but 438 00:22:09,419 --> 00:22:07,809 he got an interview arranged with I 439 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:09,429 think it was the news of the world at 440 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:11,799 the time and he came up with this story 441 00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:14,769 he says it's on the news in the world I 442 00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:17,260 was in France and I found my producer 443 00:22:23,789 --> 00:22:21,039 and told him to make a new keep fit 444 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:23,799 video and he misheard me on the 445 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:30,850 this went out in the news of the world 446 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:33,110 and sales of the video went through the 447 00:22:37,450 --> 00:22:34,970 roof you know Keith got his money back 448 00:22:39,070 --> 00:22:37,460 and what and what have you and he also 449 00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:39,080 told me about some of the pranks that 450 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:40,910 were play on each other and so on as 451 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:43,550 well it just gives you a taste and the 452 00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:45,290 flavor of the the way these people 453 00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:47,390 worked and the atmosphere at the time 454 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:49,430 when you meet them of course there are 455 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:52,280 those that think that you can find all 456 00:22:56,980 --> 00:22:54,830 this on the Internet Spiros but you 457 00:22:59,380 --> 00:22:56,990 can't know you know that as well as 458 00:23:03,040 --> 00:22:59,390 either so oK we've reached a position 459 00:23:06,460 --> 00:23:03,050 now you've seen the tip page tantalise 460 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:06,470 spun you a story let's start you can 461 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:07,910 tell the story if you like and we'll 462 00:23:12,790 --> 00:23:08,810 take it from there 463 00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:12,800 okay so so once I saw the template egde 464 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:15,500 see I don't believe for a heartbeat 465 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:19,720 that those guys made it for real because 466 00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:22,760 they didn't try to cover their tracks I 467 00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:24,920 think they did it as a bit of fun I 468 00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:26,870 don't think for a second they thought 469 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:28,820 that it was going to fool anybody but it 470 00:23:33,670 --> 00:23:30,620 was a bit of fun it was a little bit of 471 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:33,680 you know Santilli on the other hand saw 472 00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:36,710 it and thought you know what I wonder if 473 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,140 we can put this out and see what happens 474 00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:40,640 right because he's looking for power 475 00:23:45,670 --> 00:23:43,220 modes so and the reason I say I don't 476 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:45,680 believe they made it as a real thing 477 00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:47,000 because they didn't they didn't actually 478 00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,140 give it much thought 479 00:23:54,430 --> 00:23:49,760 you know they didn't spend any money on 480 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:54,440 it really none of it made any sense and 481 00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:56,690 it kind of okay it would be pulled apart 482 00:24:01,030 --> 00:23:59,090 in a heartbeat by anyone that knows 483 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:01,040 anything about anything you know you 484 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:03,910 have to be an expert you need anyone so 485 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:05,720 because you're already when you're 486 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:07,730 making an alien autopsy you're already 487 00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:10,310 on a hiding to know where you know 488 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:12,260 you're you're making something that no 489 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,420 one's gonna believe you're starting off 490 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:17,120 on a very very negative plane so the 491 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:18,850 only time you're gonna believe it is 492 00:24:22,690 --> 00:24:21,890 when there's stuff in it which can't be 493 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:22,700 explained 494 00:24:28,150 --> 00:24:25,910 yeah well you know yeah let's check it 495 00:24:30,610 --> 00:24:28,160 from there if you've you know you've got 496 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:30,620 all that behind you you've seen the foot 497 00:24:34,810 --> 00:24:32,930 you've seen the tent footage you know 498 00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:34,820 because of your experience as a 499 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:38,870 filmmaker it's shot on video not 35mm 500 00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:41,840 not sixty millimeter film video what 501 00:24:46,110 --> 00:24:43,400 what happened next where did we go from 502 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:46,120 the night I left I left Ray's office 503 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:50,500 quite disappointed because clearly 504 00:24:59,920 --> 00:24:54,530 clearly he was either lying to me he or 505 00:25:02,560 --> 00:24:59,930 he was mad all Oprah yeah all somebody 506 00:25:06,610 --> 00:25:02,570 had sold in this and he believed it okay 507 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:06,620 yes possible to right so so I kind of 508 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:07,700 thought either way 509 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:11,050 this guy is not really the caliber of 510 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:13,340 businessman I can be involved with 511 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:15,610 because is is too much is too 512 00:25:22,090 --> 00:25:18,530 wishy-washy nothing none of it made any 513 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:22,100 sense I've got in the car and I was 514 00:25:27,490 --> 00:25:25,310 driving home and I called John Humphries 515 00:25:30,970 --> 00:25:27,500 who is the gentleman I mentioned earlier 516 00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:30,980 who is a sculptor who worked in that an 517 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:32,780 urn was a partner in a company called 518 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,510 coast to coast productions and coast to 519 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:37,520 coast productions made special effects 520 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:43,010 for TV and movies okay John's primary 521 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:45,740 role in that company was to make to 522 00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:48,350 sculpt anything that was needed so that 523 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:51,830 the effects guys could then create a 524 00:25:57,970 --> 00:25:55,940 ghost or a monster or have somebody have 525 00:26:00,190 --> 00:25:57,980 their arm chopped off or in a movie or 526 00:26:03,550 --> 00:26:00,200 whatever so but he would have to sculpt 527 00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,560 the the arm you with me so so that was 528 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:06,080 his primary role I was very close to 529 00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:11,210 John had a lot in common with him and I 530 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:12,950 would speak to him about a lot of things 531 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:14,570 and you know and I called him up and I 532 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:16,190 said John I just seen the worst film 533 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:17,690 you've ever seen your life we could have 534 00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:21,860 made it with our feet so and he said why 535 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,430 don't we and that's what that's what 536 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:27,440 started it I thought what he's right why 537 00:26:32,350 --> 00:26:30,290 don't we so I immediately phoned ray 538 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:32,360 back and I said right I've been thinking 539 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:37,250 about this I can make it properly right 540 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,330 so that it will stand up to scrutiny but 541 00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:43,520 the only reason we would make it is to 542 00:26:50,530 --> 00:26:46,430 to have a tada moment where we can go to 543 00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:50,540 that this is how we did it okay and we 544 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:51,779 would ever 545 00:26:58,849 --> 00:26:54,690 monetize it by making a documentary 546 00:27:01,879 --> 00:26:58,859 about how it was made and and then sell 547 00:27:03,109 --> 00:27:01,889 that around the world though he said 548 00:27:04,459 --> 00:27:03,119 that's great that's great well what 549 00:27:07,249 --> 00:27:04,469 would it cost I said well let me price 550 00:27:09,979 --> 00:27:07,259 it up let me see what what we still it's 551 00:27:11,209 --> 00:27:09,989 not when you scratch the surface it 552 00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:11,219 starts getting deeper and deeper it's 553 00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,830 not just make a an alien it's in there's 554 00:27:18,619 --> 00:27:15,659 a lot more to this so let me just see 555 00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:18,629 what what we can do so I went away and 556 00:27:23,419 --> 00:27:21,960 priced it up and then I went back to Sin 557 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:23,429 City and I said look I can do it for 558 00:27:28,849 --> 00:27:27,330 this much that's not including my costs 559 00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:28,859 it's not including a lot of costs 560 00:27:32,719 --> 00:27:30,929 because I'm gonna just pull favors here 561 00:27:35,659 --> 00:27:32,729 and there I'm gonna do stuff just to 562 00:27:39,889 --> 00:27:35,669 make this happen so we'll do it together 563 00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:39,899 as a partnership and and then when the 564 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:42,179 money comes in then we'll just go bitter 565 00:27:48,229 --> 00:27:45,450 equally so that's how it was originally 566 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:48,239 positioned and that's how I was in a 567 00:27:53,899 --> 00:27:49,710 situation where was making an egg little 568 00:27:57,310 --> 00:27:53,909 Topsy did I miss anything is that that's 569 00:27:59,839 --> 00:27:57,320 pretty this yeah I'm so sorry so you 570 00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,849 yeah you put this proposal to sound tell 571 00:28:05,329 --> 00:28:01,919 her you've costed it need to give him a 572 00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:05,339 budget so where'd you know what happened 573 00:28:13,849 --> 00:28:07,739 next - how did he how did he come - bit 574 00:28:20,629 --> 00:28:13,859 me so to speak well I was at the time I 575 00:28:23,959 --> 00:28:20,639 was also going out with a lady who I've 576 00:28:27,859 --> 00:28:23,969 now realized is probably the best 577 00:28:29,539 --> 00:28:27,869 researcher ever anywhere if you want to 578 00:28:31,999 --> 00:28:29,549 make a program Union researcher this is 579 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:32,009 the person you got a book dude because 580 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:35,070 she's amazing she's amazing she's she's 581 00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,570 just I don't know how she does it she 582 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:38,940 she has a way of getting to the bottom 583 00:28:43,459 --> 00:28:40,979 of stuff getting information getting you 584 00:28:45,259 --> 00:28:43,469 know is she's almost a prop a big 585 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:45,269 investigator that's how good she is 586 00:28:52,579 --> 00:28:47,460 she's just really you know and we were 587 00:28:54,499 --> 00:28:52,589 talking about how difficult it would be 588 00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:54,509 to do to do something I didn't tell her 589 00:28:59,479 --> 00:28:57,419 what it was about but I was talking in 590 00:29:03,320 --> 00:28:59,489 general about how difficult it would be 591 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:03,330 to to go back in time at a military 592 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:04,920 level you know and 593 00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:06,510 get information that is it in the public 594 00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,300 domain now just just before you carry on 595 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:12,240 there yes this is back in the days pre 596 00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:14,760 internet this is pre you know I mean the 597 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:16,980 internet came along really the latency 598 00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:19,710 so this is pre internet day so I can 599 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:21,980 understand this would be very very hard 600 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:25,370 digging that would be required yeah and 601 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:31,410 exactly right and and she she said what 602 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:33,390 depends on what sort of thing it is and 603 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:36,150 then maybe I can help you and I said 604 00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:40,290 would be mostly medical and but we're 605 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:43,230 talking you know fifty years ago and you 606 00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:45,810 know and she said yeah I can help with 607 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:46,260 that 608 00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:49,730 she said just let me know what you need 609 00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:52,560 so I went back to Jordan and I said John 610 00:29:58,910 --> 00:29:56,100 look we need someone to tell us how to 611 00:30:01,460 --> 00:29:58,920 do stuff you know how it's got to look 612 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:01,470 how it's got to feel we need someone and 613 00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:03,480 she's there and she shouldn't know what 614 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:04,920 you think and he said well she's great 615 00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:07,290 you I trust her let's let's bring her 616 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:09,990 into the fold so we went back kind of 617 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:12,030 meeting the three of us and I said look 618 00:30:18,170 --> 00:30:13,580 this is what I'm gonna try and achieve 619 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:18,180 and need from you is I need you to teach 620 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:22,830 John how to do an autopsy but not today 621 00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:27,000 an autopsy has done in 1947 to all your 622 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:43,680 girlfriend's lines but yeah but we had 623 00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:45,330 that relationship where it was all about 624 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:47,040 learning with her she was she was that 625 00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:50,610 she was a very she was a very she was a 626 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,830 scholar you know she looked for she 627 00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:54,960 looked for stuff she knows stuff that we 628 00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:57,270 would we wouldn't even know the existed 629 00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,490 I mean seriously I'm bringing you two 630 00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:02,640 into this this conversation because I 631 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,960 don't know very much about you guys but 632 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:06,240 I would wager that she knows stuff that 633 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:08,970 you've never heard of you know I've seen 634 00:31:12,410 --> 00:31:10,530 it I've seen it a million times she's 635 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:12,420 she's just well was that law there will 636 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:17,490 concentrate on the alien emojis them so 637 00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:18,450 she proved to me 638 00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:23,160 that she could do that without saying 639 00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:27,900 too much she did have a pass as part of 640 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:28,590 her job 641 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:31,110 we shall loud her into various 642 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:34,050 government buildings and one of the 643 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:36,180 buildings that she had access to was a 644 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:40,290 medical library in Mira bone and they 645 00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:44,870 still there and she she went there to 646 00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:49,470 research how an autopsy is done what 647 00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:52,590 gives away an American autopsy versus a 648 00:31:59,840 --> 00:31:56,100 UK autopsy at the same period the 649 00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,850 toolkits needed the mythology all that 650 00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:01,500 all that stuff that goes on what would 651 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,300 be in the room and every autopsy has a 652 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:08,340 different purpose you know something you 653 00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:10,290 realize only after you start thinking 654 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:13,470 about it it's not just the it's just not 655 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:16,070 just the cause of death it's also 656 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:20,820 sometimes they look at what has happened 657 00:32:27,130 --> 00:32:23,970 to the body because of the death 658 00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:27,140 if you've died from a radioactive 659 00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:30,270 overdose if you got shot if you so they 660 00:32:35,150 --> 00:32:32,940 look at not only why you died and what 661 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:35,160 was accorded s but also how could we 662 00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,610 repair this damage if we saw it in a 663 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:41,100 human being tomorrow in order to save 664 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:43,680 them so there's lots of reasons why an 665 00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,170 autopsy is done it's not just determine 666 00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:48,360 the cause of death and I found that very 667 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:52,100 interesting because if it's an alien 668 00:32:58,670 --> 00:32:56,310 you're not worried about how it died as 669 00:33:00,560 --> 00:32:58,680 much as you're worried about how this 670 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:00,570 thing operates how does it work it's not 671 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:02,820 us it's something else yeah I'm 672 00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:05,160 completely different metabolism and 673 00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:07,350 everything yeah absolutely so you're 674 00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:09,030 learning it's a state one at school 675 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:12,030 you're learning all about this new body 676 00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:14,010 that we've never seen before so the 677 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:18,680 cause of death element is irrelevant 678 00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:21,770 okay and and and autopsies 679 00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:24,960 most of the time are to determine time 680 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:27,300 time of death cause of death 681 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,430 very circumstances as to who might have 682 00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:32,000 done it okay so the traces of 683 00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:37,060 somebody else's DNA whatever so so she 684 00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:40,190 was really good at isolating the core 685 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:42,620 issues what do we actually want to do 686 00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:46,040 here is it this is more a dissection 687 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:49,700 than an autopsy okay mm-hmm but if it's 688 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:51,770 a dissection if with you know right had 689 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:53,930 already coined the phrase alien autopsy 690 00:33:59,170 --> 00:33:58,010 because he got it from from something 691 00:34:01,510 --> 00:33:59,180 that happened in Roswell somebody 692 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:01,520 mentioned an alien autopsy and he Keith 693 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:03,860 he grabbed that you know and then went 694 00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:06,110 with it so we didn't call it a 695 00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:08,870 dissection but in reality that's what it 696 00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:14,990 was it was an alien dissection so so so 697 00:34:21,370 --> 00:34:18,350 I've got this cork core team together so 698 00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:21,380 that was it was my ex-girlfriend John 699 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:23,960 and myself each of us have our own 700 00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:29,960 expertise and without any one of us it 701 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:33,320 would have been a much much more 702 00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:35,480 difficult proposition and in fact it may 703 00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:39,440 never have happened because when I I 704 00:34:44,380 --> 00:34:41,030 laugh you know Phil you know you 705 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:44,390 we see these we see these imitation 706 00:34:50,410 --> 00:34:48,650 alien autopsies films doesn't get much 707 00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:50,420 yeah there's that every week we see a 708 00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:53,180 new one and and you see these companies 709 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:56,300 the is this TV companies which which 710 00:35:01,200 --> 00:34:58,970 have a whole program dedicated to we're 711 00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:01,210 gonna replicate the alien autopsy and 712 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:04,640 they miss the major part of the alien 713 00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:07,370 autopsy which is not the alien being cut 714 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:12,140 open but the entire film if they just 715 00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:15,290 did what they did in there is recreation 716 00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:17,390 programs it would be discovered as a 717 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:19,220 faith within a heartbeat it'll be over 718 00:35:23,770 --> 00:35:21,710 in a day or two because they're not 719 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:23,780 doing the entire gig they're not they're 720 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:26,720 not fulfilling the the entire 721 00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:30,890 requirement and it is overlooked it is 722 00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,760 overlooked by a lot of people if you 723 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:37,280 take away the room that it's in and the 724 00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,490 things that are in that room a lot of 725 00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:42,640 the credibility goes out the window and 726 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:45,160 you forget the alien get 727 00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:46,990 the alien just look at the room itself 728 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:49,420 hello okay yeah so you've got your team 729 00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:53,680 you all got your various expertise so 730 00:35:58,109 --> 00:35:55,660 what you know where did we go from there 731 00:35:59,819 --> 00:35:58,119 how do you set about making an alien 732 00:36:02,120 --> 00:35:59,829 autopsy you've got your team around here 733 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:02,130 what you know where did we go from there 734 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:07,180 we need a place to make the alien so so 735 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:09,970 I left that with John and I explained to 736 00:36:16,529 --> 00:36:13,569 John that because the this the for 737 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:16,539 running of making the alien is a lot of 738 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:19,030 work that doesn't look like an alien 739 00:36:24,539 --> 00:36:20,770 okay does that make sense 740 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:24,549 so so you can quite happily make start 741 00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:27,430 to do all the all the steps leading up 742 00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:29,829 to making the alien in front of people 743 00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:30,940 because they haven't got a clue what 744 00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:34,180 you're doing right for example he molded 745 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:37,240 his ten-year-old son as the basis of the 746 00:36:43,789 --> 00:36:40,089 body okay well up to that point nobody 747 00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:43,799 knows he's an alien so you quite happily 748 00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:47,980 mould Michael in a studio with other 749 00:36:53,819 --> 00:36:51,160 people working there because up until 750 00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:53,829 that point there's nothing to see you 751 00:37:01,440 --> 00:36:57,150 you with me the secrecy's done this so 752 00:37:05,549 --> 00:37:01,450 he started off at a special-effects 753 00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:05,559 workshop which is called Murphy's and he 754 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:08,460 had a space in in Murphy's workshop and 755 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:10,690 that's what he did all the preliminary 756 00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:13,000 work to get it up to a point where he's 757 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:16,750 gonna start to be an alien okay he then 758 00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:19,630 transferred he did the last bits in 759 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:22,230 secret and then he created the mold and 760 00:37:28,529 --> 00:37:26,010 we then took the mold from Murphy's to 761 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:28,539 the house that we were going to film in 762 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:31,450 and because the next step would be 763 00:37:35,819 --> 00:37:33,730 producing an alien you see the next 764 00:37:37,529 --> 00:37:35,829 thing that comes up will be an alien so 765 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:37,539 you don't really want to be walking that 766 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:38,890 through the streets to take it to the 767 00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,210 place where you're going to be doing the 768 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:41,920 filming so I can I understand you're 769 00:37:46,859 --> 00:37:44,410 taking that to improving you know in 770 00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,869 secret to the air to the venue and we 771 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:48,640 also don't want to see I don't want 772 00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:50,380 anybody to see an alien coming out of 773 00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:50,980 the mold 774 00:37:54,539 --> 00:37:53,440 yeah before we will move it from the 775 00:37:57,269 --> 00:37:54,549 place because there are other people 776 00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,279 working in the workshop so so it was the 777 00:37:59,010 --> 00:37:58,720 right thing to do to move everything to 778 00:38:00,780 --> 00:37:59,020 the 779 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:00,790 and do it all in secrecy complete 780 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:06,130 secrecy so that was a first the first 781 00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:07,570 thing was a whale where are we gonna 782 00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:10,119 make this any year the next thing was 783 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:12,280 where are we gonna film it now as it 784 00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:15,400 happens my girlfriend's house was being 785 00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:20,500 redeveloped so she was living in in part 786 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:21,280 of the house 787 00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:25,090 her mother had her own little bungalow 788 00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:26,740 apartment in the background in the back 789 00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,640 garden a separate building and she lived 790 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:34,320 in that and most of the house was was 791 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:37,180 floorboards and and and waiting to be 792 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:42,910 developed so we you know what Phil for a 793 00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:45,970 long long time I believed it was the 794 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,900 middle floor as from my recollection it 795 00:38:54,990 --> 00:38:51,280 was the middle floor of the house that 796 00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:55,000 we did this and I I thought that was the 797 00:38:59,700 --> 00:38:57,160 case for a long long time and then I 798 00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,710 recently went back to the house and it 799 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:01,119 wasn't the middle floor at all it was a 800 00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:04,030 top floor and I actually had to fight 801 00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:06,940 myself to remember how did I think it 802 00:39:11,609 --> 00:39:08,920 was the middle floor and it was you know 803 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:11,619 because a long time ago obviously but it 804 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:16,750 was a top floor so anyways I revisited 805 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:20,020 it'll be done up now and and but we we 806 00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:21,730 agreed that we would film in in her 807 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:26,260 house so it was a little room downstairs 808 00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:28,810 that which opened up to the patio and 809 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:31,150 the garden so it's very easy to for John 810 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:33,609 to work and make the mold and to make 811 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:38,140 the creature etc so I said about to make 812 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:42,010 the set in what were two rooms there 813 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:44,140 were two rooms in the top floor but the 814 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:46,510 the wall that divided the two room had 815 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:48,630 been removed so it became one big room 816 00:39:59,580 --> 00:39:53,530 and and I set up to make the alien 817 00:40:01,320 --> 00:39:59,590 autopsy room or on the one side and on 818 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:01,330 the other side which was the second room 819 00:40:05,609 --> 00:40:01,810 if you like 820 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:05,619 I created attempt to make the debris 821 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,680 footage footage in there now Santilli 822 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:10,560 didn't ask me to make the brief footage 823 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:12,310 don't know if you know that for 824 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:15,610 you know that yes okay yeah he never 825 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:17,290 asked me to do that which is something I 826 00:40:24,810 --> 00:40:20,710 find sin doing so while we were doing it 827 00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:24,820 I just went for it and did that too so 828 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:27,460 yeah so that's how it came about so we 829 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:29,110 found the place to make the alien and I 830 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,990 found the place to film it and the rest 831 00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:33,760 of it was was just piecing it all 832 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:39,670 together so just going back slightly did 833 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:43,210 the the actual alien and the the the 834 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:47,110 autopsy on it itself and I do know that 835 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:51,280 many noted forensic pathologists did 836 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:53,290 actually consider the autopsy procedure 837 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:55,750 in the film three authentic but they 838 00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:57,010 didn't they actually stopped shot up 839 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:00,220 saying yes it is an alien yes that's 840 00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:04,210 right so next yeah the reason that the 841 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:06,550 people the people that should know 842 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:12,480 better didn't is because you you cat and 843 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:16,150 not deal with a logical mind if you 844 00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,070 present it with lots of logical reasons 845 00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:20,800 because for it to go against the logic 846 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:24,760 it ceases to be a logical mind so I'll 847 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:29,680 explain that if I prove to you that this 848 00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:34,330 is a film made in 1947 in a logical 849 00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:38,020 process as somebody who's not an expert 850 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:42,870 in film your sense of fair play Allah 851 00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:46,500 tells you to trust the other experts 852 00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:51,160 okay so their witness statement is valid 853 00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:54,040 because they're experts in that field so 854 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:00,840 if a kodak tell you this is a 1947 film 855 00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:03,490 then you have to just say okay well they 856 00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:04,510 know what it's talking about they have 857 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:05,380 no ax to grind 858 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:07,570 why would they say isn't or it is if it 859 00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:10,960 isn't so so we we live with that piece 860 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:13,960 of information and from that one piece 861 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:16,600 of information everything else falls in 862 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:19,780 place because the medical personnel will 863 00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:23,920 say this is not a human being it must be 864 00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:25,400 a special effect 865 00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:28,569 the special effects people will say well 866 00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,430 we could make this today but we couldn't 867 00:42:37,529 --> 00:42:34,640 make it in 1947 so we don't think it's a 868 00:42:40,329 --> 00:42:37,539 special effect if this is a 1947 thing 869 00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:40,339 so if it's not a special effects and 870 00:42:46,509 --> 00:42:42,950 it's not a human being then what is it 871 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:46,519 and you're dealing with scholars you're 872 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:49,130 dealing with people who are trained to 873 00:42:54,549 --> 00:42:52,130 think people are trained to chew the fat 874 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:54,559 and and come to conclusions based on 875 00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:55,130 logic 876 00:43:01,059 --> 00:42:57,529 based on evidence and if the evidence 877 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:01,069 shows that it's a 1947 film then they 878 00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:03,910 have to say I don't know what this is 879 00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:06,200 mm-hmm because they're not going to say 880 00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:08,660 it's an alien so if they say I don't 881 00:43:16,209 --> 00:43:13,640 know what this is then again the logical 882 00:43:18,279 --> 00:43:16,219 common-sense next step would be well 883 00:43:20,229 --> 00:43:18,289 it's not an animal and it's not a human 884 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:20,239 being it's something we've never seen 885 00:43:24,759 --> 00:43:21,009 before 886 00:43:28,029 --> 00:43:24,769 and if we tie that into Roswell which is 887 00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:28,039 what we try to do then bugger me it 888 00:43:32,829 --> 00:43:30,950 looks like an alien mm-hmm you see and 889 00:43:34,839 --> 00:43:32,839 although I don't want to say it's an 890 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:34,849 alien because my credibility is going to 891 00:43:38,819 --> 00:43:37,729 be shot I've got to say I haven't got a 892 00:43:41,609 --> 00:43:38,829 clue what it is 893 00:43:46,059 --> 00:43:41,619 which is basically saying it's an alien 894 00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:46,069 absolutely absolutely absolutely no go 895 00:43:50,759 --> 00:43:49,160 ahead go ahead I'm just going to my 896 00:43:53,799 --> 00:43:50,769 small what was he 897 00:43:56,249 --> 00:43:53,809 it was plain what part they know it was 898 00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:56,259 doing the autopsy was doing the filming 899 00:44:04,870 --> 00:43:59,960 okay we decided that John should be the 900 00:44:10,049 --> 00:44:04,880 the main surgeon and the reason for that 901 00:44:13,809 --> 00:44:10,059 was because John knew about Anatomy 902 00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:13,819 he's a sculptor he's a he's a Royal 903 00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:16,700 Academy lecturer now I mean he's a very 904 00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,630 very qualified sculptor and he knows 905 00:44:26,769 --> 00:44:23,839 where muscles go over bones you know he 906 00:44:30,459 --> 00:44:26,779 studied it yeah so so that one thing 907 00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:30,469 gave him a you know a bit of an edge on 908 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,390 us so he wasn't a case of getting an 909 00:44:35,499 --> 00:44:33,680 actor it was a case and you know what 910 00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:35,509 we've got somebody here who who already 911 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:39,300 understands how a body power body 912 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:42,450 is built so he's gonna build the body 913 00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:43,230 who better 914 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:46,980 it's a to dissect it so John became the 915 00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,170 the the chief pathologist scum surgeon 916 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:53,760 originally we did set out to make it a 917 00:44:57,860 --> 00:44:55,530 pathologist and then we were told later 918 00:45:02,200 --> 00:44:57,870 that the person that had top clearance 919 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:02,210 at the time would have been a surgeon 920 00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:05,310 this is only from research and from bits 921 00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:07,950 of paper that we found not my golfer 922 00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,190 found and she all the time kept 923 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,260 stressing I don't know how many these 924 00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:16,140 documents on finding are genuine I don't 925 00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:18,150 know if these are hoaxes in their own 926 00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:19,980 right there was all sorts of paperwork 927 00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:22,230 I'm at the Majestic twelve papers and 928 00:45:26,540 --> 00:45:25,350 and there was a project Bluebook and 929 00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:26,550 there was all sorts of stuff that she 930 00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:31,800 unraveled and found that would either 931 00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:34,980 true or somebody had made them up in any 932 00:45:39,830 --> 00:45:37,230 event though there were names involved 933 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:39,840 in these papers and and then further 934 00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:41,580 research showed that these people were 935 00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:42,240 there 936 00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,900 surgeon so we figured you know what if 937 00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:54,480 anyone else who knows the situation if 938 00:45:59,840 --> 00:45:56,790 they actually was a crash in was well 939 00:46:04,640 --> 00:45:59,850 over at UFO and if they were alien 940 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:04,650 bodies only somebody would talk 941 00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:06,770 clearance would be able to get near that 942 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:09,480 after that was oh don't know dr. Detlev 943 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:13,380 Bronk was indeed a surgeon in the 944 00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:17,090 military and he was one of the so-called 945 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:22,230 members of mj-12 mj-12 is a fiction I'll 946 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:25,590 call it fictional somebody'll say I'm 947 00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:28,410 wrong a fictional number of people 948 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:32,060 twelve people who were put together to 949 00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:33,210 la-dee-da 950 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:36,270 the crash at Roswell and and Detlev 951 00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:38,490 Bronk wasn't was one of them so you've 952 00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:41,900 got a you have indeed got a real man yes 953 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:45,840 now I did say whether or not the mj-12 954 00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:49,650 paper is real on what it obviously she 955 00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:52,710 found it and and she is she 956 00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,599 she pointed it out that it might not be 957 00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:56,700 real and the reason she did that as I 958 00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,770 told you she's the best researcher in 959 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:01,380 the world ever I'm gonna put mine I'm 960 00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:02,970 gonna put my neck on the block I've 961 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:04,710 never been anyone I've never met anyone 962 00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:05,369 like that 963 00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,670 she found stuff in mj-12 before anyone 964 00:47:13,070 --> 00:47:10,680 in the UFO community said this is not 965 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:13,080 real because of this right she and she's 966 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:14,970 not in the UFO community but she just 967 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:17,910 looked at it and she she's got this this 968 00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:20,760 mythology which she puts things in in 969 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,369 line and then she disqualifies them as 970 00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,920 she finds all the stuff and she's got a 971 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:28,619 very amazing way of doing stuff and she 972 00:47:34,099 --> 00:47:30,930 found a lot of inconsistencies and she 973 00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:34,109 said this doesn't make sense I don't 974 00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:38,700 think it's real okay but Bronk was very 975 00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:41,670 real and because of Bronk we had to film 976 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:42,119 it again 977 00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:45,930 we filmed it once as if a pathologist 978 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,990 was doing it and that's what we now 979 00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:51,240 called the first autopsy because we did 980 00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,020 two two autopsies one was not released 981 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:56,099 and we did it again 982 00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,410 straight after because she she 983 00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:01,200 discovered that it should be a surgeon 984 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:03,750 doing the autopsy not a pathologist and 985 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,450 the techniques that the surgeon would be 986 00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:07,920 using are very different 987 00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:09,960 they're noticeable someone who knows 988 00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,160 what we're looking at so because one's 989 00:48:18,109 --> 00:48:15,839 trying to save lives the other ones 990 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:18,119 training doesn't carry this body's dead 991 00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:21,330 already so the whole demeanor is 992 00:48:28,099 --> 00:48:23,550 different in the way they approach an 993 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:28,109 autopsy so we did it again as if a 994 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,290 surgeon was doing it and I'm gonna be 995 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:33,450 absolutely honest and tell you right now 996 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:36,930 I had no idea what the differences were 997 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:40,290 I couldn't see the difference I didn't 998 00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:43,170 know that they would differences the 999 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:46,560 first time I realized her value was when 1000 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:51,810 I heard Cyril Wecht say on the Fox 1001 00:48:59,810 --> 00:48:57,170 program these are surgeons if a surgeon 1002 00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,820 knowledge of so who where Cyril Wecht 1003 00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:02,880 Aziz a forensic pathologist hears that 1004 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:05,700 he's done a gazillion 1005 00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:07,890 all over the world he's he's the guy 1006 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:10,380 they used to call him four big cool 1007 00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:13,290 places for murder cases and what have 1008 00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:16,020 you very you know and he's he's a 1009 00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:19,350 lecturer and teaches for for the chief 1010 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:23,420 so a very big name very very big name 1011 00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:28,610 but also there was a lot the name of the 1012 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:31,110 Soviet the other pathologist that the 1013 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:34,290 Queen's pathologist um there was dr. 1014 00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:36,930 West Ian West but it was another one I 1015 00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:41,670 forgotten Milroy and they they both also 1016 00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,350 commented on the fact that this is a 1017 00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:46,800 surgeon yeah well Milroy in fact to put 1018 00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:51,510 a written report together and which was 1019 00:49:57,350 --> 00:49:54,150 was subsequently published and I think 1020 00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,360 he also went on television yes so I 1021 00:50:02,990 --> 00:49:59,520 think it's fair to say that the you know 1022 00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:03,000 from a medical viewpoint yes the people 1023 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:06,030 were skeptical but I don't think there 1024 00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:08,850 was anyone that could point and say it's 1025 00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:11,190 not a medical procedure because they've 1026 00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:14,550 got that wrong and and what this what 1027 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:17,790 the deeds confirm was that the way that 1028 00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:22,410 the the dissection was done was correct 1029 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:26,070 but each surgeon would do things 1030 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:28,290 slightly different that us a number of 1031 00:50:34,310 --> 00:50:30,570 things which are standard like the why 1032 00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,320 cut at the neck and so on but after that 1033 00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:35,940 you know they would each do their own 1034 00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:39,750 thing so to speak but also say that's 1035 00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:42,350 the same in any occupation in see 1036 00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:44,310 photographer I might set my camera 1037 00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:47,310 settings different to spur us if he's 1038 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:48,600 filming something or to yourself 1039 00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:51,510 everybody does that it's just a natural 1040 00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,110 thing to do it give you some ideas but I 1041 00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:57,180 don't need aware of this but one of the 1042 00:51:01,280 --> 00:50:59,220 biggest critics at the time was not it 1043 00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:01,290 wasn't in the medical profession in 1044 00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:03,750 actually an airline pilot and was called 1045 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:07,080 Kent Jeffrey and as one of the Roswell 1046 00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:09,810 researchers he flew in for the screening 1047 00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:13,200 on May the fifth in London come tearing 1048 00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:15,180 out of the hall after seeing it so we've 1049 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:17,820 got him because of your curly flex on 1050 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:18,690 your telephone 1051 00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,010 well he's soon at 1052 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:22,140 eat humble pie but what can't Jeffrey 1053 00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,450 did and he won't you know we put this in 1054 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:27,119 writing he believed that you had 1055 00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:30,089 actually made or Santilli or whoever he 1056 00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,030 didn't know you at the time you made a 1057 00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,180 snuff movie that the creature on that 1058 00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:39,359 film was flesh and blood wasn't an alien 1059 00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,790 he believed it was some kind of deformed 1060 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:43,500 human being yes 1061 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:48,210 but nonetheless it was a real war I'm 1062 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:50,250 trying to get across medical medical 1063 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:53,010 procedure carried out on something that 1064 00:51:59,059 --> 00:51:55,890 was flesh and blood and and not so you 1065 00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,069 know the polystyrene and yeah and you 1066 00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:01,920 know faking it's that stale convinced he 1067 00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:03,420 was yes 1068 00:52:09,339 --> 00:52:06,630 yes I remember that I remember that but 1069 00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:09,349 then again that was that was Gentiles 1070 00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,119 line of line of presentation and I don't 1071 00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:16,980 know whether we got it from him but but 1072 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:19,380 but what he what sin till he was very 1073 00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:23,730 careful to do was to say I don't know 1074 00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,240 what this is you tell me is it a human 1075 00:52:32,180 --> 00:52:30,059 being that suffered radiation is it is 1076 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:32,190 it an experiment that's gone wrong is it 1077 00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,650 a hybrid is it what is it I don't know 1078 00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:36,720 what it is right but he would avoid 1079 00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,940 saying alien because he he wanted that 1080 00:52:46,579 --> 00:52:44,099 some any point of ever say well I never 1081 00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:46,589 told anyone it's an alien they made 1082 00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:49,349 their own minds up yeah yeah so yeah you 1083 00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:54,240 said all that yeah yeah so so yeah the 1084 00:52:59,900 --> 00:52:58,020 level of detail and and I say this again 1085 00:53:03,079 --> 00:52:59,910 and again you know when these guys 1086 00:53:05,299 --> 00:53:03,089 recreate the alien autopsy for a TV show 1087 00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:05,309 to say look we could have made this it's 1088 00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:10,380 doable that isn't the question when you 1089 00:53:16,099 --> 00:53:12,900 talk about the level of detail okay if 1090 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,109 you're filming these two autopsies yeah 1091 00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:18,720 you've got slightly wrong so you do it 1092 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:22,319 again and talk about some of the smaller 1093 00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:24,569 details that are in the film that you 1094 00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,270 purposely put in there you know give 1095 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:29,280 give us an idea of what was going on 1096 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:31,290 okay um 1097 00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:33,450 John and I sat 1098 00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:35,580 in a little coffee shop call for a brick 1099 00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,230 season Finchley Road and a [\h__\h] for 1100 00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:42,900 hours and we designed what this creature 1101 00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:45,750 is going to look like and we had to 1102 00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:48,840 decide why it had whatever feature we 1103 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:51,870 decided to give it because it had to 1104 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:53,210 make sense 1105 00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:56,970 anatomically but also logically okay so 1106 00:54:01,360 --> 00:53:59,010 first thing we did was we didn't give it 1107 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:01,370 a navel we didn't give it a bellybutton 1108 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,410 very very conscious decision it wasn't 1109 00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:06,000 it you know it was it was written down 1110 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:08,070 it's one of the things that we would do 1111 00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:11,610 and the reason for that was because we 1112 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:15,840 wanted to say this body is grown it's 1113 00:54:22,580 --> 00:54:20,250 not born mm-hmm okay because we're 1114 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:22,590 talking future we're talking sci-fi but 1115 00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:24,690 we need to keep our feet on the ground 1116 00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:26,940 though what is possible what is a 1117 00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:30,480 reasonable assumption okay because you 1118 00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:33,270 know sometimes a sci-fi you go a little 1119 00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:36,030 bit overboard and it starts to look 1120 00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,000 silly you know if you put an 10i on the 1121 00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:41,460 on the head it is the wrong direction 1122 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:43,430 does that make sense 1123 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,450 absolutely yeah yeah it just takes it to 1124 00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:50,520 a place where you know come on this is 1125 00:54:54,860 --> 00:54:53,220 too far pitch now but if you keep your 1126 00:54:58,850 --> 00:54:54,870 feet on the ground and say okay but 1127 00:55:02,510 --> 00:54:58,860 we're gonna make this look real let's 1128 00:55:05,090 --> 00:55:02,520 not go too far away from reality maybe 1129 00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:05,100 it's us in the future okay so let's keep 1130 00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:08,520 it looking more like us than alien but 1131 00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:10,320 let's make sure it looks so different 1132 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:13,110 that it can't be us so but actually 1133 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:14,610 about doing that err spare us you've 1134 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:17,370 actually you've welcomed that up really 1135 00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:20,640 because saying there are people who have 1136 00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,380 had encounters and they actually say 1137 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:28,680 that they have seen babies hybrid babies 1138 00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,330 growing in UFOs 1139 00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:32,220 so that actually opens it up to that 1140 00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:36,680 side of the argument as well yeah yeah 1141 00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:39,140 I'd like to say one thing about that 1142 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:42,630 I've heard so many accounts of people 1143 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:46,770 that have seen aliens have been 1144 00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:48,330 confronted with anything on spaceships 1145 00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:50,310 if you know and I've got to say I don't 1146 00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:54,060 know I've never been there but the some 1147 00:55:59,960 --> 00:55:55,950 of the stories are too far-fetched for 1148 00:56:02,660 --> 00:55:59,970 me to believe as a cynic okay so I've 1149 00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:02,670 got that in my head I've got that filter 1150 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:05,430 in my head that says how much how far 1151 00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:07,770 can i push this before I stop believing 1152 00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:10,800 it okay so this is a very actually a 1153 00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:13,110 very important part of why this was 1154 00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:18,240 successful because we we determined that 1155 00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:20,190 we wouldn't do what the eyewitnesses 1156 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:24,060 said they saw and that's that's a 1157 00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:26,730 mistake if you if you consider this 1158 00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:28,320 making your life very difficult because 1159 00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:29,700 if you're gonna go against what people 1160 00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:32,430 said they saw you're now creating a 1161 00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:34,020 brand new belief system you've got to 1162 00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:36,510 now sell it you know if somebody says 1163 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:38,100 well they've got three fingers and a 1164 00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:39,570 thumb and they've got big heads and 1165 00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:41,400 black eyes and they're very very thin 1166 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:43,800 and they've got a long neck if you do 1167 00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:47,520 what they say they saw they're gonna say 1168 00:56:53,090 --> 00:56:49,140 yeah that's it that's what we saw and 1169 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:53,100 you don't have to sell it okay but we're 1170 00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:54,570 not selling it to those people we're 1171 00:56:59,570 --> 00:56:56,280 selling it to the medical profession and 1172 00:57:03,920 --> 00:56:59,580 we're selling it to people who are back 1173 00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:03,930 to that neurological mindset okay we 1174 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:07,470 know how our body functions as a human 1175 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:10,890 being but we can we can take some of 1176 00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:12,930 that knowledge and say okay well we know 1177 00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:15,030 how a horse operates a horse is nothing 1178 00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:18,510 like a human being but how similarities 1179 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:21,000 you know lungs and a heart and you know 1180 00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:22,050 even you can actually take all the 1181 00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:23,820 similarities from a horse and a human 1182 00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:25,790 being but when you look at a horse's 1183 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:29,160 muscular structure it's all there for a 1184 00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:32,610 reason you cannot have a head the size 1185 00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:35,190 of the horse's head with the skull and 1186 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:38,520 the brain hanging out away from the body 1187 00:57:44,780 --> 00:57:42,330 without a very muscular neck mm-hmm just 1188 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:44,790 wouldn't work physically it wouldn't 1189 00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,090 work so equally if you take an alien and 1190 00:57:54,860 --> 00:57:53,280 you've got this massive head and this 1191 00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:54,870 spindly little neck 1192 00:58:00,260 --> 00:57:57,510 it wouldn't work it doesn't make sense 1193 00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:00,270 now the only time that we can we can 1194 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:02,700 argue that point is what do we know we 1195 00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:05,220 don't know anything about aliens why 1196 00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,980 can't it be well because somehow we've 1197 00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:09,480 got to rationalize this we've got to 1198 00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:12,900 find a route to market okay why is it 1199 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,590 right so general I decided no we this 1200 00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:19,200 would have a much stronger neck to hold 1201 00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:21,630 a bigger head because the head is not 1202 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:23,220 going to be full of foam it's not going 1203 00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:24,450 to be full of air it's gonna have a 1204 00:58:27,790 --> 00:58:26,190 brain in it it's gonna hurt otherwise 1205 00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:27,800 there's no reason to have a big head 1206 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:28,950 okay 1207 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:31,410 so so we're just thinking again going in 1208 00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:34,290 on logical tracks bigger head heavier 1209 00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:37,110 head thin neck that's it it's a weak 1210 00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:37,950 book is a weakness 1211 00:58:42,350 --> 00:58:40,200 these are evolved beings they're not 1212 00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:42,360 they're not backwards they're forward so 1213 00:58:47,810 --> 00:58:45,780 let's give it let's give it a stronger 1214 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:47,820 neck and then we thought okay three 1215 00:58:53,810 --> 00:58:50,730 fingers and the thumb not good that's 1216 00:58:58,070 --> 00:58:53,820 not evolving to a higher being it's 1217 00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:58,080 going backwards so we gave it six 1218 00:59:04,850 --> 00:59:02,040 fingers rather than five and rather than 1219 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:04,860 three so it's better than us therefore 1220 00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:08,250 it's evolved and six toes as well of 1221 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:12,390 course absolutely the reason that we did 1222 00:59:19,070 --> 00:59:15,690 the six toes as well because if you if 1223 00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:19,080 you go along the line of world okay 1224 00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:21,480 these are evolved higher beings I mean 1225 00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:23,580 we use keyboards every day don't we you 1226 00:59:27,350 --> 00:59:25,080 know and if we fly an airplane we're 1227 00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:27,360 using we're using our fingers to fly 1228 00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:29,670 plane just to press buttons to pull 1229 00:59:35,060 --> 00:59:32,790 levers to to operate this all those 1230 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:35,070 various elements so to have an extra 1231 00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,930 digit would mean we could be more 1232 00:59:40,340 --> 00:59:38,760 effective or more efficient I mean 1233 00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:40,350 spirit you know you know in all honesty 1234 00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:42,270 I worked with a lot of odd six toes on 1235 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:45,540 each foot yeah been on each hand nobody 1236 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:47,370 wasn't a higher being I can assure you 1237 00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,850 you know because I'm just leading onto 1238 00:59:59,660 --> 00:59:56,160 that we know of human beings that have 1239 01:00:02,060 --> 00:59:59,670 six fingers or six toes either on one 1240 01:00:05,330 --> 01:00:02,070 hand or on both hands but never have we 1241 01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,340 ever seen of being a human being with 1242 01:00:08,339 --> 01:00:07,920 six fingers and six toes on both hands 1243 01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:08,349 and feet 1244 01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:11,950 so that a level of perfection is I think 1245 01:00:17,489 --> 01:00:14,710 where our revolution is going okay 1246 01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,499 because for us to have human beings that 1247 01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:19,599 do grow an extra finger we know we know 1248 01:00:22,890 --> 01:00:21,249 that's called polygon tally as they say 1249 01:00:25,499 --> 01:00:22,900 it's a medical condition yeah well I 1250 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:25,509 mean I mean this one this will probably 1251 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:27,970 make you laugh as well yeah I mean last 1252 01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:29,529 year mark my wife and I won at 1253 01:00:35,009 --> 01:00:32,430 Chatsworth House in Derbyshire big grand 1254 01:00:37,529 --> 01:00:35,019 used in many movies and what I've here 1255 01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:37,539 and I'm talking to one of the guides in 1256 01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:40,089 it in his particular portrait of one of 1257 01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:42,190 the ladies that lived there I'm sure so 1258 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:45,670 whoever and as you noticed something odd 1259 01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:47,410 about that picture and he's giving me 1260 01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:49,660 all the history about it and she 1261 01:00:54,059 --> 01:00:51,160 actually had six fingers on each young 1262 01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,069 oh well and it didn't notice they'd 1263 01:00:59,279 --> 01:00:55,839 never seen it before Allison and I 1264 01:01:02,819 --> 01:00:59,289 walked away smiling you know so solitude 1265 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:02,829 too - yes but one of the things that you 1266 01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:05,049 built into the film as well not just 1267 01:01:08,819 --> 01:01:07,299 about the creature but the environment 1268 01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:08,829 in which you film it as well was enough 1269 01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:09,880 yes 1270 01:01:16,469 --> 01:01:12,880 so to recap on the on the fingers and 1271 01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:16,479 toes okay and we move on that was 1272 01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:19,089 important because the medical the 1273 01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:21,309 medical profession will say this is not 1274 01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:24,700 unusual we've seen this before we 1275 01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,680 haven't seen it on both hands and both 1276 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:29,200 feet but it's not impossible that this 1277 01:01:33,809 --> 01:01:31,690 might have happened at some point okay 1278 01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:33,819 so there's an element there of 1279 01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:36,900 credibility that this is not far-fetched 1280 01:01:40,739 --> 01:01:40,150 but clearly it's nothing we've seen 1281 01:01:45,809 --> 01:01:40,749 before 1282 01:01:47,789 --> 01:01:45,819 okay the black eyes okay were something 1283 01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:47,799 that the big black almond eyes was 1284 01:01:51,779 --> 01:01:49,900 something that we we heard about again 1285 01:01:53,999 --> 01:01:51,789 and again and again this is a common 1286 01:01:56,279 --> 01:01:54,009 feature in in and what an alien looks 1287 01:01:59,609 --> 01:01:56,289 like so we figured okay 1288 01:02:03,120 --> 01:01:59,619 we know how lenses work and to have a 1289 01:02:05,069 --> 01:02:03,130 black eye we don't know how that works 1290 01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:05,079 we can't we can't imagine how that works 1291 01:02:10,259 --> 01:02:06,910 there's no iris there's no pupil there's 1292 01:02:12,569 --> 01:02:10,269 no how is it working okay so I think 1293 01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:12,579 that John rather than explain something 1294 01:02:17,489 --> 01:02:15,700 that we don't know the answer to why 1295 01:02:19,799 --> 01:02:17,499 don't we just go back to what we do know 1296 01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:19,809 we know how and I were so why don't we 1297 01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:21,609 create I is that work 1298 01:02:26,970 --> 01:02:24,249 like our eyes work and the black 1299 01:02:29,999 --> 01:02:26,980 covering is a covering it's an it's a 1300 01:02:33,809 --> 01:02:30,009 lens is sunglasses this foot is modern 1301 01:02:36,479 --> 01:02:33,819 modern sunglasses so the eye witnesses 1302 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:36,489 are not disorientated too much we 1303 01:02:38,970 --> 01:02:38,410 haven't taken them out the picture too 1304 01:02:40,589 --> 01:02:38,980 much 1305 01:02:43,229 --> 01:02:40,599 we've gone against some of the things 1306 01:02:45,509 --> 01:02:43,239 they said but we want to give them some 1307 01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,519 things to hold on to otherwise what 1308 01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,960 we're doing is alienating them and we're 1309 01:02:51,299 --> 01:02:49,359 making them look either they're lying or 1310 01:02:53,339 --> 01:02:51,309 they're looking silly or they have to 1311 01:02:56,099 --> 01:02:53,349 rebel against us and say this is 1312 01:02:57,660 --> 01:02:56,109 nonsense because none of it fits so so 1313 01:02:59,279 --> 01:02:57,670 we had to give them something so we gave 1314 01:03:02,579 --> 01:02:59,289 them the big head and we gave them the 1315 01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:02,589 black eyes but we wanted to have them 1316 01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:04,960 questioning themselves and the way you 1317 01:03:10,829 --> 01:03:07,480 do that is you create the lenses and 1318 01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:10,839 then you remove the lenses so now they 1319 01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:13,960 are sitting there going oh they're not 1320 01:03:20,729 --> 01:03:15,849 big black eyes after all we're just 1321 01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:20,739 giving them an arms okay okay so it's 1322 01:03:27,930 --> 01:03:25,180 it's all about speeding everybody's ego 1323 01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:27,940 the the person who says they saw an 1324 01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:32,079 alien is is either a liar or they're 1325 01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:34,329 telling the truth if they're telling the 1326 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:37,630 truth we won't really know and if 1327 01:03:42,569 --> 01:03:40,569 they're lying we won't really know the 1328 01:03:44,370 --> 01:03:42,579 only time we know is what we can 1329 01:03:46,349 --> 01:03:44,380 actually see an alien for ourselves and 1330 01:03:49,819 --> 01:03:46,359 we can compare what's happened in the 1331 01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:49,829 UFO community is all of a sudden 1332 01:03:54,779 --> 01:03:52,150 different people have seen different 1333 01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:54,789 kinds of aliens so now we've got a whole 1334 01:03:59,940 --> 01:03:57,880 array of what an alien is cuz there's so 1335 01:04:01,769 --> 01:03:59,950 many of them that they could all be 1336 01:04:03,749 --> 01:04:01,779 right and then again they could all be 1337 01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:03,759 wrong but who's gonna prove you wrong if 1338 01:04:07,529 --> 01:04:05,470 an alien did appear tomorrow 1339 01:04:09,539 --> 01:04:07,539 why is that going to be going against 1340 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:09,549 anyone that said I saw a gray if it 1341 01:04:13,890 --> 01:04:12,190 wasn't a great the popular gray well 1342 01:04:15,269 --> 01:04:13,900 they will exist they will exist there's 1343 01:04:17,579 --> 01:04:15,279 lots of them as does the different types 1344 01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:17,589 of aliens so we're all still in the game 1345 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:19,180 you know no one's going to get caught 1346 01:04:23,579 --> 01:04:22,089 out here I'm not being cynical by the 1347 01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:23,589 worm I'm just telling you how I see it 1348 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:25,569 okay I'm not saying they don't they 1349 01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:27,849 don't exist because I'd like to believe 1350 01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:30,190 they do I've never seen one personally 1351 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:32,950 I've never seen one so so I'm just going 1352 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:33,930 along 1353 01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:38,010 root of if if somebody wanted to pretend 1354 01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:42,990 they saw an alien it's a free-for-all 1355 01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:45,059 isn't it oh yeah yeah they had they had 1356 01:04:50,299 --> 01:04:48,180 seven legs three eyes and they were 1357 01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:50,309 purple but they change color as well 1358 01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:53,160 they're change puttan again green and 1359 01:04:57,260 --> 01:04:55,140 they could fly and levitate in a 1360 01:04:59,900 --> 01:04:57,270 connected also reproduce just by 1361 01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:59,910 clicking their fingers you know right 1362 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:01,980 that's the classic b-movie description 1363 01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:06,930 though in Syria yeah yeah yeah I just 1364 01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:11,160 told you I saw a fake it could be 1365 01:05:15,140 --> 01:05:13,260 anything so what we were doing is 1366 01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:15,150 creating something and here's the 1367 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:17,550 difference okay we're creating something 1368 01:05:21,140 --> 01:05:20,490 doesn't exist but all of a sudden it's 1369 01:05:24,980 --> 01:05:21,150 real 1370 01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,990 our alien doesn't exist but suddenly 1371 01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:27,599 it's a it's real it's in front of you 1372 01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:30,390 and it exists so we've just created a 1373 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:32,430 monster we just created something which 1374 01:05:37,099 --> 01:05:34,290 is now it's got its own light fish but 1375 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:37,109 its own as we've seen it's not going to 1376 01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:39,210 go away but but that's a good level of 1377 01:05:47,180 --> 01:05:43,559 detail it's it's fulfilling not only 1378 01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:47,190 what's logical in in a medical sense or 1379 01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:50,940 in a military sense or in any other way 1380 01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:53,160 but it's also fulfilling everything 1381 01:05:59,240 --> 01:05:56,640 that's logical in a UFO gist mind is 1382 01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,250 this possible is this sensible have we 1383 01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:00,720 seen this before have we heard about 1384 01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:03,180 this before I mean I mean that out that 1385 01:06:06,650 --> 01:06:05,220 out you know some people out there and 1386 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:06,660 say well there's there's more to this 1387 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:08,970 story than meets the eye I mean I don't 1388 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:10,650 know what I mean you and I have talked 1389 01:06:16,819 --> 01:06:13,530 along about this morose someone what 1390 01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:16,829 you've told me went into my book but 1391 01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:20,880 there's also other stories that to me 1392 01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:25,980 are as equally as important about not 1393 01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:27,780 just the detail of the creature and why 1394 01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:29,579 you made it where you made it and who 1395 01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:31,740 did what look there what are the things 1396 01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:34,950 that happened during the making and 1397 01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:40,160 filming of this alien autopsy am i right 1398 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:43,619 and tell me if I'm not but yeah it made 1399 01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:45,450 the first autopsy and realize you've 1400 01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:47,320 made errors but then 1401 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:48,760 what the premises that you were not 1402 01:06:55,590 --> 01:06:53,530 burgled yes it was about that no burglar 1403 01:07:01,980 --> 01:06:55,600 was broken into nothing the tank you 1404 01:07:05,730 --> 01:07:01,990 know it was what happened was we we made 1405 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:05,740 the first autopsy and we finished some 1406 01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:08,770 somewhere it was even about 1:30 in the 1407 01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:12,460 morning ish maybe two in the morning and 1408 01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:17,740 we were very very tired it and and then 1409 01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:21,160 we we were told about the other surgeon 1410 01:07:25,470 --> 01:07:23,230 the surgeon thing and the possibility of 1411 01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,480 it not being and and with what are we 1412 01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,280 going to do it again and and we were 1413 01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:29,680 quite deflated because the elements of 1414 01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:32,560 it weren't right and I said look guys 1415 01:07:40,410 --> 01:07:36,960 let's just go home get some sleep and 1416 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:40,420 we'll do we'll clean up tomorrow we'll 1417 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:42,730 just you know we left the body hole cut 1418 01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:46,330 open and what I view on the table and we 1419 01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:47,620 know when you're working on something 1420 01:07:51,210 --> 01:07:49,260 like this you know I have work within 1421 01:07:53,010 --> 01:07:51,220 I'm working 1422 01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:53,020 special effects quite a lot and so John 1423 01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:55,030 when you're for example if you're 1424 01:07:58,340 --> 01:07:56,230 creating the situation we're going to 1425 01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,350 cut someone's head off in a film you 1426 01:08:04,860 --> 01:08:01,260 don't see the gore you don't see 1427 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:04,870 actually what what the end viewers gonna 1428 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:08,770 see what you see is a pretend head uses 1429 01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:11,410 pretend blood it's not it's not horrific 1430 01:08:14,670 --> 01:08:12,910 at all and that's what happened with us 1431 01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:14,680 when we were filming this we cut open 1432 01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:19,150 this body and we we knew it wasn't a 1433 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:21,820 real body and it was no horror in the 1434 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:25,210 room when I left that room to switch the 1435 01:08:29,220 --> 01:08:26,650 lights off to go downstairs cause what 1436 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:29,230 happened every night we would switch the 1437 01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:31,810 lights off and then go downstairs and 1438 01:08:38,910 --> 01:08:35,440 then switch off the main electric in the 1439 01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:38,920 house under the stairs there's a lot of 1440 01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:40,780 meter and you switch it off at the mains 1441 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:44,440 so the whole house is dead because you 1442 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:45,730 know you don't live in there was this 1443 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:48,250 there was derelict so we switched it off 1444 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:51,730 and left when we came back the next day 1445 01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:55,210 to clear up the mess and we had to make 1446 01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,490 a new body you know as soon as we came 1447 01:09:01,670 --> 01:08:59,440 back we found the dog was off off the 1448 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:01,680 hinges it was actually kicked it 1449 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:06,250 so oh no no you know this is like his 1450 01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:09,130 d-day because top secret and all of a 1451 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:12,160 sudden someone's broken in hmm so we've 1452 01:09:17,579 --> 01:09:15,250 gone in and the lights are still off at 1453 01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:17,589 them at the mains so we envisage they 1454 01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:18,790 must have gone in with it with a 1455 01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:22,029 flashlight and they've gone into the 1456 01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:23,620 various rooms and they're empty 1457 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:25,380 and they've worked the way upstairs and 1458 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:28,690 they've opened the door and they've won 1459 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:32,650 the flashlight across and they saw what 1460 01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,489 I saw after we finished the autopsy 1461 01:09:39,630 --> 01:09:37,839 filming and I switched off the light in 1462 01:09:41,999 --> 01:09:39,640 the room because what happened was I 1463 01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:42,009 went up to the light and I stopped and I 1464 01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:43,989 turned around and looked back into the 1465 01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:48,359 room and I saw this dead body 1466 01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:51,910 and I actually jumped I actually felt a 1467 01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:53,980 chill down my spine because it looked so 1468 01:09:59,340 --> 01:09:57,730 horrific and I thought wow I've been 1469 01:10:01,050 --> 01:09:59,350 working with this all day long I haven't 1470 01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:01,060 felt like this and now I'm looking at it 1471 01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:02,620 it's almost like a fly on the wall 1472 01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:07,180 looking back I saw the horror and this 1473 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:10,270 poor person had broken I'm just telling 1474 01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:20,410 you man Jin the burglars face because a 1475 01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:23,020 lot of gore and it was it was very 1476 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:26,140 realistic even in real life you know and 1477 01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:29,170 I I had visions of them just fleeing and 1478 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:31,960 getting the hell out of there quick but 1479 01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:34,690 I I then said to the guys look we can't 1480 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:37,780 clean it up now because if the police 1481 01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:41,730 arrive we need them to see that is not 1482 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:44,560 body you know and it's just the film and 1483 01:10:50,340 --> 01:10:47,290 it's it all became over because because 1484 01:10:51,570 --> 01:10:50,350 now somebody's seen the alien you know 1485 01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:51,580 and it'll be he'll be dead in the water 1486 01:10:56,610 --> 01:10:54,969 but I said we would look very deflated 1487 01:10:58,290 --> 01:10:56,620 by the whole thing and we thought okay 1488 01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:58,300 well we'll have to wait we'll have to 1489 01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:01,030 wait and see if the police arrive and by 1490 01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,120 4 o'clock in the afternoon it nobody 1491 01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,880 arrived so I thought was safe to say 1492 01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:08,320 that they they didn't go and tell 1493 01:11:12,419 --> 01:11:10,120 anybody look we broke into this home and 1494 01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:12,429 we saw a good body but maybe they were 1495 01:11:14,339 --> 01:11:13,630 worried about the fact they broke into 1496 01:11:16,050 --> 01:11:14,349 the house 1497 01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:16,060 so they didn't want to incriminate 1498 01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:18,550 answer oh and we thought you know what 1499 01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:19,750 they haven't turned up yet they're not 1500 01:11:26,939 --> 01:11:23,710 gonna turn up so so we cleaned up we'll 1501 01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:26,949 clean that mess and we put another body 1502 01:11:31,109 --> 01:11:29,199 on the body at the mold and and the 1503 01:11:35,819 --> 01:11:31,119 following day we've we filmed it again 1504 01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:35,829 so yeah that happened and still there's 1505 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:38,980 somebody out there walking around who 1506 01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:41,170 who may not even know about the alien 1507 01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,400 autopsy but the netic away far away but 1508 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:47,440 me may be that person I didn't even put 1509 01:11:51,330 --> 01:11:49,210 one-on-one together and thought this is 1510 01:11:53,879 --> 01:11:51,340 the alien autopsy because it could just 1511 01:11:56,459 --> 01:11:53,889 have been a body it was out of context 1512 01:11:58,649 --> 01:11:56,469 it wasn't you know if you're if you've 1513 01:12:01,500 --> 01:11:58,659 got a flashlight and you you are in a 1514 01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:01,510 room although it's a set you wouldn't 1515 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:03,940 necessarily see that because you've just 1516 01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,810 put the light on this body yeah I mean 1517 01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:09,520 you're a burglar you're already on edge 1518 01:12:16,589 --> 01:12:12,280 are you just to you case yeah yeah on 1519 01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:16,599 edge see that are going down the stairs 1520 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:25,960 I've got the roof he must have got a few 1521 01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:28,090 beers out of it down there so I wouldn't 1522 01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:32,110 feel sorry for him but so we i-i've 1523 01:12:34,979 --> 01:12:33,340 given that a lot of thought and I 1524 01:12:37,379 --> 01:12:34,989 thought well you know what I don't even 1525 01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:37,389 know if this person even realize that 1526 01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:40,420 it's the alien autopsy and even if they 1527 01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:44,020 saw the alien autopsy if faith if they 1528 01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:45,670 put one on one together they'd have to 1529 01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:47,320 see a documentary that says it was made 1530 01:12:51,930 --> 01:12:49,449 in Camden's that for the penida job yeah 1531 01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:51,940 am i psychic with buckin Willington 1532 01:12:56,910 --> 01:12:54,520 place you know what I mean yeah so 1533 01:13:00,270 --> 01:12:56,920 you've you've made the two films you 1534 01:13:02,939 --> 01:13:00,280 film the check on the debris in the tent 1535 01:13:05,069 --> 01:13:02,949 it's all done it's in the can and you 1536 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:05,079 present this to sound till I you know 1537 01:13:10,890 --> 01:13:06,489 what was his reaction 1538 01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:10,900 once it's all it's all made well there's 1539 01:13:16,169 --> 01:13:14,560 a little step we've missed this rewind a 1540 01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:16,179 little bit fulfil because it is to be 1541 01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:19,510 interesting for you we made the first 1542 01:13:26,879 --> 01:13:23,260 autopsy and I caught sin Tilly and I 1543 01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:26,889 said was done it wrong but we need to do 1544 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:27,860 it again 1545 01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:31,730 and he he immediately said I haven't got 1546 01:13:37,530 --> 01:13:34,640 time I haven't got any more money it's 1547 01:13:41,020 --> 01:13:37,540 acid forget it let's just leave it and 1548 01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,030 the bit that's important in that that 1549 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:43,520 whole sentence that he gave me wasn't 1550 01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:45,170 the I haven't got any more money 1551 01:13:49,660 --> 01:13:47,750 it was the I haven't got any more time 1552 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:49,670 and thought that meant was because I 1553 01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:52,490 didn't know this I know now he was 1554 01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:55,880 speaking to people like you and saying 1555 01:14:01,900 --> 01:13:59,090 I've got this film he was already 1556 01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:01,910 selling it yeah yeah I've got this film 1557 01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:04,940 and I'm going to present it to you I'm 1558 01:14:08,230 --> 01:14:06,380 going to show you it very soon and 1559 01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:08,240 people were going to his office in a 1560 01:14:14,170 --> 01:14:09,830 particular meeting there was there was a 1561 01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:14,180 a friend mr. biter much it were itself 1562 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:18,620 and also and also what's his name mum 1563 01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:21,650 was common and ruse is mauricio by atif 1564 01:14:26,860 --> 01:14:23,390 from Italy could call around rules and 1565 01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:26,870 reg Presley right yourself 1566 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:29,840 I myself yeah so he couldn't put these 1567 01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,250 people off so he said to me look I must 1568 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:36,800 have what's it look like what's the film 1569 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:37,970 look like I said it looks fantastic 1570 01:14:43,390 --> 01:14:40,250 right but it's wrong you'll be found to 1571 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:43,400 be fake very quickly you can't show it 1572 01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:45,770 to anybody and he said what if I just 1573 01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:50,480 show little bits out of context I said 1574 01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:51,980 I'd rather you didn't I'd rather you 1575 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:55,070 didn't show this to anybody because it 1576 01:15:00,460 --> 01:14:56,330 will be the reason why the whole thing 1577 01:15:02,530 --> 01:15:00,470 falls down if you show something so he 1578 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:02,540 said I'll well okay then and he didn't 1579 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:04,610 tell me he showed anybody he told me he 1580 01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:05,570 wouldn't show anybody 1581 01:15:11,230 --> 01:15:08,000 he showed me at all oh yeah I saw the 1582 01:15:12,850 --> 01:15:11,240 whole thing and I did remark and I 1583 01:15:14,980 --> 01:15:12,860 didn't obviously know that what was 1584 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:14,990 going on at the time that the first 1585 01:15:23,380 --> 01:15:20,090 autopsy was much done but it was it was 1586 01:15:26,380 --> 01:15:23,390 a lock the one that's being released was 1587 01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:26,390 the taller quality of the - well because 1588 01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:29,120 I aged it yeah so the one that I saw 1589 01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:31,310 haven't been aged I didn't know that the 1590 01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:33,620 first one he showed is it and we only 1591 01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,870 saw it that one Spiros nobody else saw 1592 01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:38,480 it again and again I think what he did 1593 01:15:43,839 --> 01:15:41,630 was he had a bit of an educated 1594 01:15:45,790 --> 01:15:43,849 which was I'm gonna show it for these 1595 01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:45,800 guys once they won't be able to freeze 1596 01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:47,750 frame and analyze into death they're 1597 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:49,310 gonna be in all of the situation and 1598 01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:51,530 leave infused and I'm not giving him a 1599 01:15:57,790 --> 01:15:54,980 copy so so they won't remember the finer 1600 01:15:59,859 --> 01:15:57,800 details even if they knew about autopsy 1601 01:16:01,089 --> 01:15:59,869 procedure even if they knew about but 1602 01:16:02,290 --> 01:16:01,099 they wouldn't remember 1603 01:16:04,510 --> 01:16:02,300 they wouldn't know they wouldn't have 1604 01:16:08,109 --> 01:16:04,520 the expertise he was right in that 1605 01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:08,119 respect it does cut the Bobbsey sorry 1606 01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,369 spirits yeah I said all the would say in 1607 01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:12,320 this in this footage would be an alien 1608 01:16:16,780 --> 01:16:14,150 that wouldn't be interested in in the 1609 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:16,790 the finer details now you know it's 1610 01:16:21,939 --> 01:16:18,530 pretty bluntly the cutting up of the 1611 01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:21,949 alien yeah again we saw it in santa Me's 1612 01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:24,520 office you know we were unprepared 1613 01:16:29,939 --> 01:16:27,230 knowledge as you've rightly said Spiros 1614 01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:29,949 were medically trained 1615 01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:32,329 although Colleen Andrews I think he's 1616 01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:34,369 father-in-law was it was a pathologists 1617 01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:36,290 or a surgeon but he wasn't sat next to 1618 01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:38,780 him you know yeah so we'd one chance to 1619 01:16:44,379 --> 01:16:42,409 take it all in and it's not easy you 1620 01:16:46,750 --> 01:16:44,389 know we tell you let me tell you about 1621 01:16:50,370 --> 01:16:46,760 something in the film the first film 1622 01:16:53,109 --> 01:16:50,380 that that might ring true for you that 1623 01:16:55,330 --> 01:16:53,119 nobody else knows about this is this is 1624 01:16:57,609 --> 01:16:55,340 brand-new information okay I'm not sure 1625 01:16:59,100 --> 01:16:57,619 if I ever told you about this you know I 1626 01:17:01,720 --> 01:16:59,110 just I just explained to you about 1627 01:17:04,089 --> 01:17:01,730 knowing where the line is where do you 1628 01:17:07,149 --> 01:17:04,099 draw the line which is too unbelievably 1629 01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,159 too far-fetched or and what's too bland 1630 01:17:12,819 --> 01:17:10,159 and too human and finding that balance 1631 01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:12,829 where yeah this could be possible this 1632 01:17:20,379 --> 01:17:16,489 could be real as an alien okay what we 1633 01:17:21,879 --> 01:17:20,389 did was because we were pushing we were 1634 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:21,889 pushing the envelope and pushing the 1635 01:17:31,629 --> 01:17:27,290 boundaries we created a vagina on the 1636 01:17:35,050 --> 01:17:31,639 alien but no breasts that's correct and 1637 01:17:38,290 --> 01:17:35,060 the reason we did that was it was an old 1638 01:17:41,530 --> 01:17:38,300 joke you know is an old joke that is 1639 01:17:43,569 --> 01:17:41,540 this is the old you know the sexist view 1640 01:17:45,129 --> 01:17:43,579 most you know if you say I went to see 1641 01:17:46,839 --> 01:17:45,139 the doctor today you assume it's a man 1642 01:17:49,629 --> 01:17:46,849 you know because we have a sexist 1643 01:17:51,069 --> 01:17:49,639 built-in sexist filter that doesn't 1644 01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:51,079 allow us to say when it could be a woman 1645 01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:52,880 you know because automatically assume 1646 01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:55,250 it's a man but there's a 1647 01:18:00,520 --> 01:17:58,250 it was a gag that went on at that time 1648 01:18:04,420 --> 01:18:00,530 we were listening to it basically was if 1649 01:18:06,490 --> 01:18:04,430 if God well if God didn't have a sense 1650 01:18:10,210 --> 01:18:06,500 of humor she wouldn't have made men 1651 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:10,220 right that was the joke and the fact 1652 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:12,770 that we're twisting the common the 1653 01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:16,370 common misconception or conception that 1654 01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:20,230 the God is a man and making him a woman 1655 01:18:26,290 --> 01:18:23,620 okay so we that little twist of the tale 1656 01:18:27,970 --> 01:18:26,300 so we thought well all these aliens we 1657 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:27,980 see we assume they're men when does 1658 01:18:33,250 --> 01:18:29,570 anybody ever assume there's a female 1659 01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:33,260 alien right so so we thought okay would 1660 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:35,540 you the same joke we'll use that 1661 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:38,690 prejudice to make people think twice 1662 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:40,250 about it 1663 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:42,890 hold on a minute it's a woman right if 1664 01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:46,490 it's a woman whichever got breath sounds 1665 01:18:51,490 --> 01:18:49,520 oh so what is this right it was a 1666 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:51,500 talking point it was it was like a guy 1667 01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:53,570 version chat tactic to make you start 1668 01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:55,310 thinking about something that wasn't in 1669 01:19:00,460 --> 01:18:58,010 the film okay it was about the romance 1670 01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:00,470 of being rather than what you're looking 1671 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:05,870 at so in the first film we did a piece 1672 01:19:10,180 --> 01:19:07,970 in that film with where we were removing 1673 01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:10,190 things from the vagina correct yeah I 1674 01:19:15,970 --> 01:19:14,030 saw that yeah and in theory it made 1675 01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:15,980 perfect sense to us because we thought 1676 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:18,320 you know what this is so edgy it's gonna 1677 01:19:23,260 --> 01:19:20,570 make people upset it's gonna make people 1678 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:23,270 think well if this was a hoax and if why 1679 01:19:28,090 --> 01:19:26,090 would they do that okay what would they 1680 01:19:30,850 --> 01:19:28,100 do that this is this is beyond you know 1681 01:19:32,650 --> 01:19:30,860 we actually cut that whole sequence out 1682 01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:32,660 in the second one because it was taught 1683 01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:35,330 to pornographic it was too wrong it was 1684 01:19:43,060 --> 01:19:37,840 the wrong side of the right thing to do 1685 01:19:45,370 --> 01:19:43,070 so so yeah so did you see all that all 1686 01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:45,380 the stuff that we absolutely you know 1687 01:19:51,370 --> 01:19:48,290 and I did I have commented on it asked 1688 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:51,380 us did the others yeah but it was I mean 1689 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:53,570 we wouldn't prepared for anything we do 1690 01:19:57,310 --> 01:19:54,650 you know what idea what we wrote about 1691 01:19:59,980 --> 01:19:57,320 to see but you understand what I mean by 1692 01:20:02,110 --> 01:19:59,990 as a viewer when you see that it's 1693 01:20:04,900 --> 01:20:02,120 uncomfortable it's an uncomfortable 1694 01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,910 thing to sit and look at yeah and you 1695 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:06,560 feel like you shouldn't be looking at it 1696 01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:09,170 and that feeling of 1697 01:20:16,270 --> 01:20:12,710 shouldn't be looking at this enforces 1698 01:20:19,419 --> 01:20:16,280 the fact that this is a secret film and 1699 01:20:21,370 --> 01:20:19,429 no one should be looking at it okay so 1700 01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:21,380 it's just messing with your emotions 1701 01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:23,870 I've got it wrong I gotta admit I got it 1702 01:20:28,419 --> 01:20:26,900 wrong do bring that that's why I didn't 1703 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:28,429 do it in the second thought up since I 1704 01:20:34,030 --> 01:20:31,270 felt that by doing that I was knocking a 1705 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:34,040 number of viewers on the head I was 1706 01:20:40,209 --> 01:20:36,890 limiting the the commercial 'ti of it 1707 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:40,219 yeah and although it could be edited out 1708 01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:42,650 later it could be blurred it could be he 1709 01:20:47,290 --> 01:20:45,110 gave it a different flavor and it didn't 1710 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:47,300 sit well with my personality it didn't 1711 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:50,690 sit well so I took it out we were it was 1712 01:20:56,669 --> 01:20:54,050 that - uncomfortable for us but there's 1713 01:21:00,669 --> 01:20:56,679 an awful lot of stuff in the first one 1714 01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,679 which we didn't use that brain in the 1715 01:21:05,709 --> 01:21:02,719 first one was actually rosbridge le and 1716 01:21:07,630 --> 01:21:05,719 it was too dark it was very dark yeah 1717 01:21:09,550 --> 01:21:07,640 and you couldn't see any detail losing 1718 01:21:11,770 --> 01:21:09,560 point of using was it point of using 1719 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:11,780 real sheeps brains we had two sheeps 1720 01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:13,850 brains put together what was the point 1721 01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:15,679 of using real sheep brains you can't see 1722 01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:18,560 them you know so the next one we did we 1723 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:20,030 use gelatin which is more see-through 1724 01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:22,610 and you could see you actually see the 1725 01:21:29,169 --> 01:21:26,960 little bits of a brain you know so yeah 1726 01:21:31,630 --> 01:21:29,179 it was it was it was it was a good dry 1727 01:21:34,419 --> 01:21:31,640 run so what I mean I mean time is 1728 01:21:36,340 --> 01:21:34,429 against us believe it or not yes so 1729 01:21:38,590 --> 01:21:36,350 we're gonna have to jump forward in time 1730 01:21:41,169 --> 01:21:38,600 and the films being released he's gone 1731 01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:41,179 around the world you know there's been 1732 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:44,030 countless reproductions of it it's made 1733 01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:46,730 its way into popular culture been on The 1734 01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:48,820 Simpsons the x-files 1735 01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:53,140 Seinfeld he could get an alien autopsy 1736 01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:57,410 cake I mean you name it it's there it's 1737 01:22:01,780 --> 01:21:59,179 never going to go away then of course we 1738 01:22:04,990 --> 01:22:01,790 have the Ant and Dec movie which wasn't 1739 01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:05,000 that big it was okay so we've reached 1740 01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:07,070 today Spiros you just appeared on the 1741 01:22:11,650 --> 01:22:10,130 One Show you know I I managed to get my 1742 01:22:15,939 --> 01:22:11,660 ugly face in there for a couple of 1743 01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:15,949 minutes as well you know the bugle is 1744 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:17,870 calling you on that Phil you can indeed 1745 01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:18,850 man 1746 01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,750 you know I'm you know this is this is 1747 01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,120 what one of the things that really 1748 01:22:29,370 --> 01:22:27,520 annoys me about this is yes Spiros 1749 01:22:31,230 --> 01:22:29,380 chatting a lady up saying come on look 1750 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:31,240 at what I want you to make an Aryan with 1751 01:22:38,190 --> 01:22:35,530 me hey I tried things like that at 1752 01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:38,200 school and then it never works man being 1753 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:40,240 interested in UFOs never got me a 1754 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:42,010 girlfriend so obviously he was in the 1755 01:22:45,930 --> 01:22:44,050 wrong line I should I should have said 1756 01:22:47,970 --> 01:22:45,940 come on make an alien autopsy with me 1757 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:47,980 I'm too late for that now 1758 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:51,930 yeah you know what on these years later 1759 01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:54,850 when we think that the the interest in 1760 01:23:01,080 --> 01:22:58,000 this film has died and gone away hey 1761 01:23:05,670 --> 01:23:01,090 presto you know BBC primetime television 1762 01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:05,680 I know that you've also been our save 1763 01:23:09,450 --> 01:23:07,870 working in a loose in a very loose way 1764 01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:09,460 you've been putting together your own 1765 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:12,670 book you know on you on all this I mean 1766 01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:15,250 there's this this far more detail than 1767 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:17,140 we've managed to go through in this this 1768 01:23:21,090 --> 01:23:19,570 hour and a half so far where are we now 1769 01:23:24,090 --> 01:23:21,100 with your book a lot of people have said 1770 01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:24,100 is this book ever gonna happen is it 1771 01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:26,260 coming out for Christmas you know is it 1772 01:23:31,530 --> 01:23:29,950 next year it seems like no I mean you 1773 01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:31,540 want to really have been a plumber as 1774 01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:33,190 well at some point because how much to 1775 01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:35,620 say I'll be around on Wednesday that 1776 01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:37,570 they don't say which Wednesday they said 1777 01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:39,550 with your book might be out it'll be out 1778 01:23:44,370 --> 01:23:42,250 soon but you don't say when so I'm going 1779 01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:44,380 to put I put you on the spice for us 1780 01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:47,700 come on in my defense your honor 1781 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:50,340 [Laughter] 1782 01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:54,850 how do I brought the book out say ten 1783 01:24:01,160 --> 01:23:57,610 years ago it would be redundant today 1784 01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:01,170 because of the way that people have have 1785 01:24:05,010 --> 01:24:03,280 commented it and in the commentary 1786 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:05,020 that's going on there's two lines of 1787 01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:09,130 thoughts okay one is it's fake Spiros 1788 01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:10,930 told us it's fake he's told us how he 1789 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:13,630 made it we believed him and there's the 1790 01:24:18,150 --> 01:24:15,730 other school of thought which is spirit 1791 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:18,160 has been paid by the men in black to say 1792 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:20,050 that it's not real and actually there is 1793 01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:24,610 a real film now I can vouch for that I 1794 01:24:31,530 --> 01:24:26,500 can account for that that people have 1795 01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:31,540 accused you of that yes yes so so just 1796 01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:32,620 boy 1797 01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:36,880 pure luck okay lots of things have 1798 01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:39,640 happened in my life where some for some 1799 01:24:43,230 --> 01:24:41,710 reason I've had to put it on the back 1800 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:43,240 burner for another reason for another 1801 01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:45,970 reason it she's carried on and it's all 1802 01:24:51,780 --> 01:24:47,830 been for a good reason because other 1803 01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:51,790 things have surfaced and which will be 1804 01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:53,980 make it the definitive book as opposed 1805 01:25:04,920 --> 01:24:56,800 to a redundant book because I thought 1806 01:25:12,230 --> 01:25:04,930 you're gonna say as opposed to your good 1807 01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:16,470 we're near the inside because you you 1808 01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,360 didn't live the problems right so but 1809 01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:22,080 here's the thing right I'm nearly there 1810 01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:25,180 I've got a lot more stuff that I 1811 01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:27,040 wouldn't have had in the original book I 1812 01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:29,470 had I've done it earlier and I've got 1813 01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:34,450 smoking gun information and evidence so 1814 01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:36,550 the people that are that are out there 1815 01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:38,920 saying he's paid by the man in black and 1816 01:25:44,580 --> 01:25:41,070 his this and it's and it's actually real 1817 01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:44,590 well all of a sudden they cannot say 1818 01:25:48,750 --> 01:25:46,600 that anything more because of this book 1819 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:48,760 okay so and I think that's important and 1820 01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:53,410 it's it's it's for me a good job I 1821 01:26:02,640 --> 01:25:56,820 didn't do it earlier the other thing is 1822 01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:02,650 on a commercial basis I didn't do it 1823 01:26:07,230 --> 01:26:05,440 deliberately but I think the book has a 1824 01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:07,240 much bigger audience today in a much 1825 01:26:11,660 --> 01:26:09,910 bigger value because of the fact that 1826 01:26:16,110 --> 01:26:11,670 it's not come out for all this time and 1827 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:16,120 I was at the beginning I I was afraid to 1828 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:18,010 release the book because I thought I 1829 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:21,010 release it it's gonna cost me a few 1830 01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:23,290 thousand pounds and I'm not gonna get 1831 01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:26,260 that money back it what's it for 1832 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:29,020 is it vanity what I've thought no reason 1833 01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:30,850 to put it out there but people want to 1834 01:26:37,740 --> 01:26:33,280 see it people like yourself okay well I 1835 01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,750 hope that people want to see so I would 1836 01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:39,280 do it and I would take a hit I would 1837 01:26:44,899 --> 01:26:42,190 actually lose money and as time has gone 1838 01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:47,570 is it happened and and Publishing's 1839 01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,460 become cheaper and there's not some ways 1840 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:53,040 of publishing a book and it could become 1841 01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,770 a more lucrative thing as well so maybe 1842 01:26:59,899 --> 01:26:58,080 I won't lose my money so you know 1843 01:27:01,640 --> 01:26:59,909 because cuz we can sit here and talk 1844 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:01,650 about the alien or - do you know what 1845 01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,810 the majority of people walking around 1846 01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:06,000 out there I'm not talking about it 1847 01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,500 they're not it's not was the first thing 1848 01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:10,320 on their mind they're not sitting there 1849 01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:12,540 bated breath waiting for my book so the 1850 01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:14,280 people that are waiting for the book are 1851 01:27:18,910 --> 01:27:17,550 are not very many people in the scheme 1852 01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:18,920 of things in the grand scheme of things 1853 01:27:23,450 --> 01:27:21,420 I've now got a bit more confidence 1854 01:27:25,399 --> 01:27:23,460 because I've watched other UFO book 1855 01:27:27,010 --> 01:27:25,409 being sold and other and the business 1856 01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:27,020 they're doing and that there's an 1857 01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,830 international market and there's a 1858 01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,239 different way of presenting it and 1859 01:27:33,740 --> 01:27:32,400 you've got you your online presence 1860 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:33,750 you've got all sorts of things that 1861 01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,170 weren't around at the time so I'm glad 1862 01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:39,840 it has hasn't happened yet I don't 1863 01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:41,310 regret it for a heartbeat not for a 1864 01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:44,550 second I do I am pleased that it's cut 1865 01:27:51,140 --> 01:27:46,440 to this point because the book now is a 1866 01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:51,150 substantial book it's worth more and it 1867 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:54,300 also is appealing now to an audience 1868 01:28:00,649 --> 01:27:57,090 that wasn't there you know I meet people 1869 01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:00,659 walking around every day of the week who 1870 01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:04,380 weren't even born they were toddlers you 1871 01:28:09,500 --> 01:28:06,449 know they haven't got a clue what the 1872 01:28:11,149 --> 01:28:09,510 alien autopsy is so um so for that 1873 01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,159 reason alone I'm glad it hasn't happened 1874 01:28:16,580 --> 01:28:13,679 to answer your question I'm going to 1875 01:28:20,419 --> 01:28:16,590 America very very soon I'm putting 1876 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:20,429 together a a film deal and I want to 1877 01:28:24,919 --> 01:28:22,170 coincide that with the release of the 1878 01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:24,929 book so when you say a film together 1879 01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:27,090 we're talking feature film or 1880 01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,159 documentary films we're talking I'm 1881 01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:31,760 doing - I'm doing one I'm doing a 1882 01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:35,040 feature film which will be a black 1883 01:28:41,180 --> 01:28:38,540 comedy which will be the true story 1884 01:28:43,340 --> 01:28:41,190 unlike the Ant and Dec film which is 1885 01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:43,350 bubblegum no it's a bubblegum movie it 1886 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:47,460 was fun factually incorrect you know 1887 01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:48,690 there's lots of stuff that happened in 1888 01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:49,800 the end of that film that didn't 1889 01:28:56,419 --> 01:28:52,920 actually happen in real life yeah and 1890 01:28:58,820 --> 01:28:56,429 you know so it is what it is but I want 1891 01:29:02,210 --> 01:28:58,830 to make a proper film the 1892 01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:02,220 proper Hollywood star and I have that 1893 01:29:10,130 --> 01:29:05,460 opportunity so so let's see how that 1894 01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:10,140 pans out the other thing I'm just going 1895 01:29:15,410 --> 01:29:13,380 to say in whichever way this goes you 1896 01:29:16,940 --> 01:29:15,420 know please don't forget out to Limits 1897 01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:16,950 magazine we're more than happy to 1898 01:29:21,890 --> 01:29:19,800 support you in any way we can thank you 1899 01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:21,900 I appreciate that thank you very much I 1900 01:29:28,580 --> 01:29:26,790 won't forget you the might might my 1901 01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,590 hopes for the film are with a specific 1902 01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:31,440 director and we've been in conversations 1903 01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,260 and it's going on hot and cold and we're 1904 01:29:39,650 --> 01:29:36,960 back on again but I didn't tell you that 1905 01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:39,660 this field but um a couple of weeks ago 1906 01:29:45,980 --> 01:29:42,690 I was working on the Sofia Lorenzo in 1907 01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:45,990 the West End and a couple of investors 1908 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:48,450 that came to that show had dinner with 1909 01:29:55,820 --> 01:29:52,770 me afterwards one of them it is in the 1910 01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:55,830 film business and funded a number of 1911 01:30:02,360 --> 01:29:58,800 very big movies and he wants to do it 1912 01:30:04,730 --> 01:30:02,370 and he's very he's very close to well 1913 01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:04,740 actually best friends with another very 1914 01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:06,900 big director not somebody I would have 1915 01:30:13,220 --> 01:30:11,430 chosen but I would I would I would buy 1916 01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:13,230 their arms off I'd go with it tomorrow 1917 01:30:18,170 --> 01:30:14,910 morning if it if it came off because 1918 01:30:20,300 --> 01:30:18,180 he's a very good director so there are 1919 01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:20,310 two horses in the race now which makes 1920 01:30:24,190 --> 01:30:21,900 my life a lot easier when I go to the 1921 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:24,200 States and deal with the first choice 1922 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:26,850 make it puts me in a very very good 1923 01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:30,570 position but that's that's a movie I've 1924 01:30:37,010 --> 01:30:33,840 also been offered a six-part documentary 1925 01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:37,020 series with a very big broadcaster in 1926 01:30:42,230 --> 01:30:41,040 Canada for a worldwide market I can't 1927 01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:42,240 tell you who it is at the moment but 1928 01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:46,080 it's it's massive and I want I was 1929 01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:47,400 originally gonna do it a one-hour 1930 01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:49,260 special with them and they decided that 1931 01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:50,910 they didn't feel that it was any mileage 1932 01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:53,580 in of one hour and is there a is there a 1933 01:31:00,170 --> 01:30:57,690 series in this and I wrote a new new way 1934 01:31:02,450 --> 01:31:00,180 of presenting it and and the idea is 1935 01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:02,460 we're gonna run a timeline for each 1936 01:31:08,090 --> 01:31:05,730 character in the process so there will 1937 01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,100 be a timeline for me a timeline for 1938 01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:10,320 Philip mantel a timeline for Ray 1939 01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:12,690 Santilli a timeline for John 1940 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:15,180 Humphries and when I when I'm except 1941 01:31:20,020 --> 01:31:16,530 like you know what I mean by timeline 1942 01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:20,030 yes yes so it will go it will be January 1943 01:31:28,180 --> 01:31:24,900 1995 and till to date and what was 1944 01:31:31,610 --> 01:31:28,190 everyone doing at exactly the same time 1945 01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:31,620 okay so whilst I was building a set John 1946 01:31:35,860 --> 01:31:33,420 was making an alien 1947 01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:35,870 Phillip was waiting to see a football 1948 01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:38,130 poster in the living daylights out or 1949 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:39,630 sound until they kept running yeah 1950 01:31:42,530 --> 01:31:40,530 absolutely 1951 01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:42,540 yeah meets meeting him in London yeah 1952 01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:45,350 Santilli was fielding all these people 1953 01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:48,239 hustling to see the film but we're 1954 01:31:54,170 --> 01:31:51,480 making it so so you you kind of cross in 1955 01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:54,180 and out of timelines to see what 1956 01:32:00,380 --> 01:31:56,070 everybody was doing at that moment in 1957 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:00,390 time so very interestingly our timelines 1958 01:32:07,729 --> 01:32:04,050 cross okay so so in some sequences two 1959 01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:07,739 timelines are one because because for 1960 01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:09,510 example I was in the same room with 1961 01:32:17,689 --> 01:32:11,340 Phillip mantel filming the documentary 1962 01:32:26,780 --> 01:32:17,699 with the men in black told you to say 1963 01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,790 that absolutely yeah and I was filming 1964 01:32:28,910 --> 01:32:28,560 you in your house you had no idea who I 1965 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:28,920 was 1966 01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:35,850 right but all the while sent his 1967 01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:38,280 timeline your timeline and my timeline 1968 01:32:42,860 --> 01:32:40,890 actually crossed yeah and became one 1969 01:32:46,380 --> 01:32:42,870 timeline and I so expect the next 1970 01:32:49,630 --> 01:32:46,390 fourteen years looking for you then you 1971 01:32:54,650 --> 01:32:49,640 [Laughter] 1972 01:32:56,900 --> 01:32:54,660 just got a question to ask you Phil who 1973 01:33:04,550 --> 01:32:56,910 would you get Phil to play you in this 1974 01:33:05,330 --> 01:33:04,560 movie in this documentary movie that's 1975 01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:05,340 interesting 1976 01:33:09,140 --> 01:33:06,900 that is fantastic absolutely fantastic 1977 01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:09,150 yeah sorry to interrupt you spirits just 1978 01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:11,880 carry on sorry okay so yes they want 1979 01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,980 they want a six-part series because they 1980 01:33:18,350 --> 01:33:15,840 can they can syndicate that easier 1981 01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:18,360 around the world it can sell it easier 1982 01:33:24,620 --> 01:33:22,500 than a one-hour special so so I've had 1983 01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:24,630 to get my thinking cap on I've worked it 1984 01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,460 out that we've got six parts 1985 01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:28,800 running everybody's timeline and that's 1986 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:31,050 a great way of introducing and what 1987 01:33:34,730 --> 01:33:33,570 everybody did because because you kind 1988 01:33:36,830 --> 01:33:34,740 of nip in and out of the timeline you 1989 01:33:40,490 --> 01:33:36,840 can see them progressing and growing and 1990 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:40,500 how it all fitted together so I'm doing 1991 01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:43,130 that as well and and the story the film 1992 01:33:46,940 --> 01:33:45,600 versus the documentary although it's the 1993 01:33:49,190 --> 01:33:46,950 same story it would have a very 1994 01:33:50,210 --> 01:33:49,200 different emotional feel to it because 1995 01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:50,220 obviously when you're when you're making 1996 01:33:54,230 --> 01:33:52,260 a movie you you have all sorts of other 1997 01:33:57,140 --> 01:33:54,240 things going on right love interests and 1998 01:33:59,260 --> 01:33:57,150 and projectionists and you have that you 1999 01:34:03,770 --> 01:33:59,270 know you have you you have your your 2000 01:34:05,630 --> 01:34:03,780 subplots so in the movie my relationship 2001 01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:05,640 with my girlfriend at a time would also 2002 01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:10,260 be a subplot and my relation with John 2003 01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:12,420 would be a subplot so where you wouldn't 2004 01:34:17,300 --> 01:34:14,370 see that in the documentary it's more 2005 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:17,310 about it's more about Fuli touchy and 2006 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:20,010 emotions on a movie so you can actually 2007 01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:22,410 sympathize with the characters because 2008 01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:24,360 you're buying a story as opposed to a 2009 01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:28,440 factual story a factual account so it'll 2010 01:34:31,730 --> 01:34:29,940 be very different and there's room for 2011 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:31,740 both of them and I'm very very pleased 2012 01:34:36,710 --> 01:34:33,570 that I've been fortunate enough to be 2013 01:34:39,020 --> 01:34:36,720 off I've been off of it you know I put 2014 01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:39,030 the documentary off till after the the 2015 01:34:44,780 --> 01:34:43,050 one show was aired because I want to 2016 01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:44,790 keep my options open just see what else 2017 01:34:49,370 --> 01:34:47,250 is out there because right now 2018 01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:49,380 I realized that this has got a shelf 2019 01:34:53,300 --> 01:34:51,450 life because because it has a self shop 2020 01:34:55,340 --> 01:34:53,310 life as long as as long as there's two 2021 01:34:57,380 --> 01:34:55,350 sides of the coin one people one lot 2022 01:34:59,330 --> 01:34:57,390 people saying this is real and a lot a 2023 01:35:02,420 --> 01:34:59,340 lot of people saying this is fake it 2024 01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,430 stays alive if we all agreed its fate it 2025 01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:04,800 dies a death that's it finishes then it 2026 01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:06,690 just becomes a piece history so then of 2027 01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:08,100 course yeah I'm just going to say of 2028 01:35:13,610 --> 01:35:11,550 course when those that were around in 95 2029 01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:13,620 who saw they saw witnesses I mean I 2030 01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:16,530 remember this coming out and and I'm a 2031 01:35:20,930 --> 01:35:18,630 now looked at this footage myself and 2032 01:35:23,690 --> 01:35:20,940 the thing that I thought was was of 2033 01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:23,700 course the the telephone lead on the 2034 01:35:27,470 --> 01:35:25,230 wire on the televi and then the wall 2035 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:27,480 that to me didn't seem real because half 2036 01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:31,170 I thought coiled telephone leads were 2037 01:35:36,710 --> 01:35:33,900 not around at that time in 47 now I 2038 01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:36,720 understand now that I'm if I'm wrong 2039 01:35:40,299 --> 01:35:37,760 please correct me 2040 01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:40,309 that those coin leads we're used by the 2041 01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:43,730 military back in in 47 and not in public 2042 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:48,050 telephones in the film etc people that 2043 01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:50,570 service this mouth of course will get 2044 01:35:55,450 --> 01:35:53,119 old and will pass on and you know this 2045 01:35:57,279 --> 01:35:55,460 will all just go your shelf life will 2046 01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,289 disappear because people who saw this in 2047 01:36:05,350 --> 01:35:58,880 that if I will no longer be around to 2048 01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,360 discuss this is now I mean the thing 2049 01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:08,480 with the curly wire I stumbled on that 2050 01:36:13,899 --> 01:36:11,420 by mistake what happened was but the 2051 01:36:16,779 --> 01:36:13,909 phone that I bought was sent to me from 2052 01:36:20,140 --> 01:36:16,789 America with a straight wire had a 2053 01:36:21,069 --> 01:36:20,150 straight wire on it and I wasn't using 2054 01:36:24,220 --> 01:36:21,079 and it would have been it would have 2055 01:36:26,259 --> 01:36:24,230 been fine you know but the girl that 2056 01:36:28,350 --> 01:36:26,269 bought it for me in America I'm actually 2057 01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:28,360 trying to locate her by the way because 2058 01:36:33,759 --> 01:36:32,090 she's out there somewhere and she was 2059 01:36:36,759 --> 01:36:33,769 working with a group called the flying 2060 01:36:39,009 --> 01:36:36,769 Karamazov the volcker group and she was 2061 01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:39,019 the PA for one of the guys so I'm gonna 2062 01:36:47,379 --> 01:36:41,119 try and find her because they'll know 2063 01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:47,389 where she hopefully and that that little 2064 01:36:51,580 --> 01:36:50,210 element of it um she phoned me up and 2065 01:36:53,379 --> 01:36:51,590 she said those if you're interested in 2066 01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:53,389 this but I've got an upgrade kit for the 2067 01:36:57,009 --> 01:36:55,070 phone and I said what does that mean 2068 01:36:59,950 --> 01:36:57,019 what is it and she said well it's got a 2069 01:37:02,200 --> 01:36:59,960 bacon like that goes on the mouthpiece 2070 01:37:03,700 --> 01:37:02,210 it's got the bakelite shoulder brace 2071 01:37:05,379 --> 01:37:03,710 that you put on onto the handle so you 2072 01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:05,389 can hold it hands-free on your shoulder 2073 01:37:10,330 --> 01:37:07,280 between your neck and your shoulder and 2074 01:37:11,859 --> 01:37:10,340 it's got a curly wire that makes it 2075 01:37:14,290 --> 01:37:11,869 longer so you can walk away from the 2076 01:37:15,609 --> 01:37:14,300 wall okay how much is that and she said 2077 01:37:16,990 --> 01:37:15,619 this I think there is something like 18 2078 01:37:20,379 --> 01:37:17,000 dollars at a time and I thought you know 2079 01:37:22,779 --> 01:37:20,389 what just send it anyway right and then 2080 01:37:27,279 --> 01:37:22,789 when we did the research we found that 2081 01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:27,289 the upgrade kit was available in 45 1945 2082 01:37:31,779 --> 01:37:30,050 yeah was yeah and most people most of 2083 01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:31,789 the people that were using it well 2084 01:37:36,850 --> 01:37:35,090 didn't haven't worried about the cost so 2085 01:37:39,250 --> 01:37:36,860 mr. and mrs. Smith in their home 2086 01:37:41,890 --> 01:37:39,260 wouldn't necessarily buy it because it's 2087 01:37:44,290 --> 01:37:41,900 an extra expense but a government 2088 01:37:46,919 --> 01:37:44,300 building would be full effect a 2089 01:37:48,970 --> 01:37:46,929 government building military building 2090 01:37:51,220 --> 01:37:48,980 all that all that sort of you know 2091 01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:51,230 hospitals they would have 2092 01:37:56,050 --> 01:37:52,610 the upgrade kit because it would 2093 01:37:58,750 --> 01:37:56,060 automatically be fitted so so I thought 2094 01:38:00,970 --> 01:37:58,760 this works perfectly one not gonna say 2095 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:00,980 that didn't have curly wire it's a fuse 2096 01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:03,890 and then when you look it actually is a 2097 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:06,380 reason why this is real more real than 2098 01:38:11,890 --> 01:38:09,170 it was before because military or 2099 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:11,900 hospital or or some kind of government 2100 01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:15,050 building would have had it which then 2101 01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,330 pimp wins it into a government building 2102 01:38:21,580 --> 01:38:19,280 yeah I might NASA pointed out when when 2103 01:38:23,740 --> 01:38:21,590 Santilli showed the film behind closed 2104 01:38:26,410 --> 01:38:23,750 doors on May the 15 1995 2105 01:38:28,660 --> 01:38:26,420 you can't Jeff really acting out why i'm 2106 01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:28,670 pilar camera screaming down the corridor 2107 01:38:32,170 --> 01:38:30,290 we've got it we've got him and he was 2108 01:38:35,170 --> 01:38:32,180 talking about the curly flex he was it 2109 01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:35,180 is absolutely 100% sure that they were 2110 01:38:41,380 --> 01:38:39,410 not around in 1947 it was a colleague of 2111 01:38:43,540 --> 01:38:41,390 mine called mike wharton he contacted a 2112 01:38:45,850 --> 01:38:43,550 particular museum somewhere in the 2113 01:38:47,740 --> 01:38:45,860 states and they said yeah was an upgrade 2114 01:38:50,380 --> 01:38:47,750 you can just pay a little bit of extra 2115 01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:50,390 money and a presto and the insert we got 2116 01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:53,600 a photograph of it as well so he didn't 2117 01:38:58,330 --> 01:38:56,480 know what to say so those that will say 2118 01:39:01,570 --> 01:38:58,340 yeah it's a fake it's a fake once that 2119 01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:01,580 was proved to be incorrect he and some 2120 01:39:05,890 --> 01:39:03,650 of them think again Spiros it really did 2121 01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,900 yeah and also I mean the clock in the 2122 01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:08,000 back of the wall very very silly thing 2123 01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:09,620 and I had an argument with John about 2124 01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:12,110 this one when I was doing it because I 2125 01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:15,890 was struggling to find to pin bacon 2126 01:39:23,110 --> 01:39:19,210 lights electric sockets from America 2127 01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,120 from from the late forties and John said 2128 01:39:27,970 --> 01:39:25,520 just stick the wire through the hole and 2129 01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:27,980 plug it it behind the set and just 2130 01:39:32,110 --> 01:39:28,880 forget it 2131 01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:32,120 you know make your life easy and I said 2132 01:39:38,050 --> 01:39:36,910 John if the clock has got a plug on it 2133 01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:38,060 okay 2134 01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:40,610 and that means it's designed to plug 2135 01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:44,390 into a socket so the wire hangs down and 2136 01:39:49,300 --> 01:39:47,450 plugs into a socket I didn't know that 2137 01:39:52,180 --> 01:39:49,310 and neither the joob if someone else 2138 01:39:54,130 --> 01:39:52,190 knows that mm-hmm so by putting it 2139 01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:54,140 through the wall and making my life easy 2140 01:39:58,540 --> 01:39:56,570 it might be a reason why somebody says 2141 01:40:00,160 --> 01:39:58,550 yeah the clocks correct but it's fitted 2142 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:00,170 incorrectly that wasn't supposed to be 2143 01:40:04,879 --> 01:40:02,930 like that it was its runs on electric so 2144 01:40:06,530 --> 01:40:04,889 where is it the cable going 2145 01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:06,540 we can't be in the brick and in the 2146 01:40:11,810 --> 01:40:09,179 plaster but if it's a real wall that's 2147 01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:11,820 what we're talking about so so I held 2148 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:15,600 out we could get three bakelite proper 2149 01:40:21,649 --> 01:40:19,170 bakelite to pin because they didn't have 2150 01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:21,659 an earth socket you you with me those 2151 01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:22,530 days yeah 2152 01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:25,980 so I've got three and I put one under on 2153 01:40:30,050 --> 01:40:27,900 the bench by there by the bench there to 2154 01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,060 plug the phone in and another one by the 2155 01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:33,360 side of the autopsy table that used you 2156 01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:35,699 see just a little bit as the camera 2157 01:40:40,370 --> 01:40:38,520 flies by and I thought I feel good if I 2158 01:40:43,070 --> 01:40:40,380 just do that I deliberately went past 2159 01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:43,080 quite quickly so somebody freeze frames 2160 01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,510 they will see there's a redundant socket 2161 01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,000 on the wall why would somebody go to the 2162 01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:49,440 extent of sticking another one well 2163 01:40:55,060 --> 01:40:52,830 they're not going to use it right as it 2164 01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:55,070 happens you can barely see what it is 2165 01:41:01,640 --> 01:40:57,239 but if you know what it is you know what 2166 01:41:03,050 --> 01:41:01,650 it is you know so I went to extremes and 2167 01:41:05,570 --> 01:41:03,060 the reason I went to the extremes I had 2168 01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,580 three Apple three they sent me three I 2169 01:41:10,250 --> 01:41:07,440 didn't if I had one I were to use one 2170 01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:10,260 but I had three it was a shame not to 2171 01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:12,570 use them so I just put them in places 2172 01:41:15,379 --> 01:41:13,710 that I just thought you know what if 2173 01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:15,389 I've seen that if I see it it's another 2174 01:41:21,260 --> 01:41:18,510 look on Vincent yeah but every little 2175 01:41:25,729 --> 01:41:21,270 detail was important absolutely yeah 2176 01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:25,739 we've got about 10 or 12 minutes left so 2177 01:41:30,500 --> 01:41:28,080 tell us a little bit about what you're 2178 01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:30,510 doing in the future spirits please if 2179 01:41:40,030 --> 01:41:36,210 you don't mad well for a living I'm I'm 2180 01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:40,040 working on a number of live shows 2181 01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:43,199 nothing to do with aliens or or or the 2182 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:47,130 UFO community we bring we bring Triple A 2183 01:41:52,879 --> 01:41:50,010 lister celebrities to the West End 2184 01:41:56,209 --> 01:41:52,889 London's West End and we go one night 2185 01:41:58,930 --> 01:41:56,219 only special so so that's that's that's 2186 01:42:02,359 --> 01:41:58,940 that's quite lucrative it's a lot of fun 2187 01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:02,369 so I've been doing that and then I'll 2188 01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:04,590 continue to do that and of course you 2189 01:42:11,899 --> 01:42:07,170 last yes was was none other than screen 2190 01:42:13,580 --> 01:42:11,909 goddess Sophia go her own way to go how 2191 01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:13,590 much have known I really don't wish I'd 2192 01:42:18,939 --> 01:42:16,170 known yeah before her we've had Michael 2193 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:18,949 Alice and the for Michael Douglas we had 2194 01:42:28,010 --> 01:42:23,010 Charlie Sheen and Schwarzenegger 2195 01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:28,020 Stallone Pacino I mean it goes on and on 2196 01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:28,440 lon 2197 01:42:35,660 --> 01:42:33,780 so so it's a fun gig and and I'm made 2198 01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,670 for it I'm very good I'm good at very 2199 01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:37,679 good about geek because I've got little 2200 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:39,330 bits of expertise where it were they 2201 01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:43,290 need to be and I'm a people person so it 2202 01:42:51,850 --> 01:42:48,719 all works it works for me but I have 2203 01:42:54,590 --> 01:42:51,860 been off asked to do another another 2204 01:42:57,770 --> 01:42:54,600 program which is more in the realm of 2205 01:43:00,290 --> 01:42:57,780 the alien autopsy oh I won't give it too 2206 01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:00,300 much too much away but it's about 2207 01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:04,920 creating more hoaxes and I'm in two 2208 01:43:12,979 --> 01:43:07,730 minds on whether or not I want to do it 2209 01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:12,989 I kind of feel that I will only because 2210 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:15,360 only because there's a challenge 2211 01:43:20,060 --> 01:43:17,730 involved you know am I able to do it 2212 01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:20,070 again because the question they asked me 2213 01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,679 was do you think you could you could 2214 01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:24,480 create a hoax as big as the alien 2215 01:43:29,390 --> 01:43:27,330 autopsy in today's market with the 2216 01:43:31,820 --> 01:43:29,400 internet and with everybody's got a 2217 01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:31,830 camera on their phone and you know could 2218 01:43:36,939 --> 01:43:33,330 you create something in the public 2219 01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:36,949 domain that's gonna go as crazy globally 2220 01:43:42,650 --> 01:43:41,250 as the alien autopsy did and I 2221 01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:42,660 immediately said yeah of course I can 2222 01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:45,360 and they said well do you want to do it 2223 01:43:51,140 --> 01:43:47,850 your fancy doing it and and now now it's 2224 01:43:55,370 --> 01:43:51,150 a case of you know what it's a challenge 2225 01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:55,380 and a half and part of me thinks do I 2226 01:44:00,320 --> 01:43:58,800 really want to upset people again no I 2227 01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,330 really want to become this person that's 2228 01:44:05,300 --> 01:44:03,360 that's you know after they offered a one 2229 01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:05,310 show people are still calling me a con 2230 01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:08,489 merchant and a fraud stirrer and and you 2231 01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,570 know because they don't understand that 2232 01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:10,800 I didn't take the money they'd 2233 01:44:15,110 --> 01:44:12,900 understand I didn't sell the footage to 2234 01:44:17,390 --> 01:44:15,120 anybody I'm straight Sam to leave just 2235 01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:17,400 in case anybody wants to know yeah I 2236 01:44:22,939 --> 01:44:19,770 didn't sell it to anybody I made I made 2237 01:44:26,510 --> 01:44:22,949 what I was hoping it would be the 2238 01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:26,520 largest illusion of a magician 2239 01:44:29,540 --> 01:44:28,710 perpetrator on the world and it was a 2240 01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:29,550 little bit of a sucker 2241 01:44:34,370 --> 01:44:31,410 logical experiment as well you know I'm 2242 01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:34,380 asking a very very pertinent question to 2243 01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:37,110 the world which is do aliens exist and 2244 01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:39,710 are they visiting our planet and the 2245 01:44:44,780 --> 01:44:41,550 conclusion of those and how are you 2246 01:44:48,710 --> 01:44:44,790 going to react when the answer is yes so 2247 01:44:51,530 --> 01:44:48,720 so you know that's me justjust just 2248 01:44:53,570 --> 01:44:51,540 doing it for myself but being cool 2249 01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:53,580 caught a foster and a liar and a cheat 2250 01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:56,400 and a normal you know it has it has its 2251 01:45:01,670 --> 01:44:59,250 toll it has an effect on you yes you 2252 01:45:03,950 --> 01:45:01,680 know I don't want to be that and now I'm 2253 01:45:08,630 --> 01:45:03,960 going into it again with a very purpose 2254 01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,640 of fooling people again difference of 2255 01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:10,080 course is that no one's going to buy 2256 01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:15,210 this everything I create and do won't be 2257 01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:15,810 sold 2258 01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:19,710 it'll the money's from revealing how it 2259 01:45:29,210 --> 01:45:24,480 was done so so I'm kind of think I might 2260 01:45:31,130 --> 01:45:29,220 do it I've invited John to join me and I 2261 01:45:33,980 --> 01:45:31,140 want to read I want to bring the team 2262 01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:33,990 back together again and be the team 2263 01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:36,930 behind this program if John said yes 2264 01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,510 I'll you know let's do it I think I 2265 01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:41,760 would I would be ten I tended are being 2266 01:45:47,780 --> 01:45:45,900 trying to do it keeps me it keeps me 2267 01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:47,790 current it keeps me in the public eye 2268 01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:51,570 keeps me busy you know you'll be amazed 2269 01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:53,490 that you know when I whenever I go into 2270 01:45:58,190 --> 01:45:56,130 put into business meetings if somebody 2271 01:45:59,570 --> 01:45:58,200 says oh you know Spiros he made the 2272 01:46:06,980 --> 01:45:59,580 alien autopsy that's how people 2273 01:46:09,020 --> 01:46:06,990 introduce me it immediately oh you you 2274 01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:09,030 oh you had me going when that came out 2275 01:46:13,490 --> 01:46:11,070 and you know I met a guy a few weeks ago 2276 01:46:16,940 --> 01:46:13,500 who told me that as a teenager 2277 01:46:20,030 --> 01:46:16,950 I he would have nightmares because the 2278 01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,040 aliens are coming you know and then my 2279 01:46:27,170 --> 01:46:23,040 film did that you know in it and so so 2280 01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:27,180 there's a responsibility and I kind of 2281 01:46:32,030 --> 01:46:29,030 don't know where to where the line is 2282 01:46:33,290 --> 01:46:32,040 you know know now what I'm going to ask 2283 01:46:34,340 --> 01:46:33,300 you now because we've only got about 2284 01:46:37,820 --> 01:46:34,350 eight minutes left 2285 01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:37,830 yeah now I'm going to ask you going back 2286 01:46:42,460 --> 01:46:39,900 to 1947 yeah 2287 01:46:43,610 --> 01:46:42,470 what do you think happened at Roswell 2288 01:46:46,940 --> 01:46:43,620 okay 2289 01:46:48,260 --> 01:46:46,950 that's a good question I speak from from 2290 01:46:52,540 --> 01:46:48,270 this experience okay 2291 01:46:55,790 --> 01:46:52,550 I spoke to over 30 people in Roswell and 2292 01:46:59,630 --> 01:46:55,800 interviewed them and many of those 2293 01:47:02,860 --> 01:46:59,640 people were there in 1947 all their 2294 01:47:05,480 --> 01:47:02,870 family was there apparently and 2295 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:05,490 something crashed no question about that 2296 01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:06,890 at all 2297 01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:10,110 something unusual crashed that's also 2298 01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:13,010 true I don't know if it's at a UFO 2299 01:47:20,350 --> 01:47:17,210 because a lot of conflicting evidence 2300 01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:20,360 but it was definitely something as 2301 01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:22,770 fascinating as a UFO it was something 2302 01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:24,690 very unusual it was something that was 2303 01:47:31,220 --> 01:47:27,920 worthy of the notoriety that Roswell got 2304 01:47:34,610 --> 01:47:31,230 my personal opinion and it's only my 2305 01:47:36,860 --> 01:47:34,620 personal opinion because I am you know 2306 01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:36,870 able to emulate anything that you might 2307 01:47:41,300 --> 01:47:38,400 want me to do okay 2308 01:47:43,190 --> 01:47:41,310 and because I've got that mindset I've 2309 01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,200 got to think of this as they know you 2310 01:47:46,490 --> 01:47:44,880 know what I'm just going to interrupt 2311 01:47:48,980 --> 01:47:46,500 you their smile because yeah it was 2312 01:47:51,110 --> 01:47:48,990 spirits because we had a really bad 2313 01:47:53,410 --> 01:47:51,120 connection and I didn't get all the the 2314 01:47:56,810 --> 01:47:53,420 actual statement there that I made 2315 01:48:00,320 --> 01:47:56,820 could you just repeat that place yes um 2316 01:48:02,990 --> 01:48:00,330 I as a magician and as a filmmaker 2317 01:48:05,660 --> 01:48:03,000 if you said to me can you do this can 2318 01:48:09,050 --> 01:48:05,670 you recreate this I can recreate pretty 2319 01:48:11,570 --> 01:48:09,060 much everything right so so my mindset 2320 01:48:14,780 --> 01:48:11,580 is that nothing's impossible I can 2321 01:48:17,780 --> 01:48:14,790 recreate it it won't be real but it will 2322 01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:17,790 make you think it's real okay so yeah so 2323 01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:20,610 if I can do that I've got to I've got a 2324 01:48:24,710 --> 01:48:22,590 mindset which says everything has a 2325 01:48:27,650 --> 01:48:24,720 logical explanation so I I believe 2326 01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:27,660 something crashed in Roswell I believe 2327 01:48:30,530 --> 01:48:28,980 the people that tell me that this 2328 01:48:31,460 --> 01:48:30,540 there's something crashed they never 2329 01:48:35,450 --> 01:48:31,470 seen before 2330 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:35,460 I don't buy that it's a UFO I don't buy 2331 01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:38,610 that it's an alien spaceship only 2332 01:48:44,990 --> 01:48:41,130 because of the conflicts the conflicting 2333 01:48:46,970 --> 01:48:45,000 evidence I've heard nobody's got a the 2334 01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:46,980 same story I haven't heard the same 2335 01:48:51,860 --> 01:48:48,810 story I mean if they kind of take a 2336 01:48:53,450 --> 01:48:51,870 little bit from each other and they kind 2337 01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:53,460 of mix it all together and then 2338 01:48:56,630 --> 01:48:55,170 all of a sudden you realize that one of 2339 01:48:59,810 --> 01:48:56,640 them's lying because I've called them 2340 01:49:00,920 --> 01:48:59,820 out okay I'll explain that sergeant 2341 01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,930 Clifford stone 2342 01:49:06,650 --> 01:49:03,840 I interviewed he actually broke down 2343 01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:06,660 crying on camera very convincing 2344 01:49:15,410 --> 01:49:10,650 okay but he told me that he saw my alien 2345 01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:15,420 in 1969 hmm I know was there in 969 but 2346 01:49:19,940 --> 01:49:17,400 he didn't know that yeah I did it 2347 01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:19,950 I've been are lost him is it exactly the 2348 01:49:25,700 --> 01:49:22,860 same or is it something similar he said 2349 01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:25,710 no no identical it was identical right 2350 01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:29,489 so he's adamant what I made in 1995 he 2351 01:49:38,180 --> 01:49:34,860 saw in 1969 so I can't now take anything 2352 01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:38,190 he says is the truth I've got to take it 2353 01:49:44,209 --> 01:49:40,410 as a little bit of a fiction you know 2354 01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:44,219 yeah so when I meet lots of people like 2355 01:49:49,190 --> 01:49:46,290 that I met Frank Kaufman you had a 2356 01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:49,200 friend Kaufman yes yes yeah Frank Frank 2357 01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:52,650 Kaufman actually put a design of a 2358 01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:54,570 triangular spaceship into the Copyright 2359 01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:56,960 Office and doesn't know how it works 2360 01:50:04,190 --> 01:50:00,840 okay and he basically told me that he he 2361 01:50:06,620 --> 01:50:04,200 drew it and from what he saw and he 2362 01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:06,630 copyrighted it because he felt that he 2363 01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:08,820 wanted to somehow be tied to it and it 2364 01:50:14,090 --> 01:50:11,850 might be lucrative for him when I wanted 2365 01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:14,100 to interview him on camera he wanted 2366 01:50:19,370 --> 01:50:18,000 $2,000 and I said yeah were there isn't 2367 01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:19,380 that much money in the in the in the 2368 01:50:24,620 --> 01:50:22,800 kitty and I've been to you so many 2369 01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:24,630 people and nobody's charged anywhere 2370 01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:29,370 near that if anything at all so you know 2371 01:50:34,940 --> 01:50:32,010 I had to believe that he was in it for 2372 01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:34,950 the money and it took everything he said 2373 01:50:39,979 --> 01:50:38,760 with a pinch of salt yeah not a wild 2374 01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:39,989 goose chase is so to answer your 2375 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:42,300 question this is very quickly I believe 2376 01:50:48,140 --> 01:50:44,610 it was a military craft that no one's 2377 01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:48,150 ever seen before that crashed the US 2378 01:50:53,090 --> 01:50:51,210 military I believe wanted to shush shush 2379 01:50:54,740 --> 01:50:53,100 it up not release it too soon because 2380 01:50:56,150 --> 01:50:54,750 either they didn't want the Russians to 2381 01:50:59,600 --> 01:50:56,160 see it they didn't want anyone to know 2382 01:51:01,900 --> 01:50:59,610 that they've had a new plane crash we've 2383 01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:01,910 seen lots of airplanes now which are 2384 01:51:07,279 --> 01:51:05,370 triangular in shape or could be could be 2385 01:51:09,770 --> 01:51:07,289 alien in 1947 2386 01:51:11,089 --> 01:51:09,780 today you know the hairy angel doesn't 2387 01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:11,099 fit with anything you know you for 2388 01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:15,210 example so so I believe it's a military 2389 01:51:23,870 --> 01:51:20,130 craft that that crashed and the rest of 2390 01:51:25,310 --> 01:51:23,880 it is all folklore that's my I mean I 2391 01:51:26,959 --> 01:51:25,320 mean that's that that's an interesting 2392 01:51:28,729 --> 01:51:26,969 point because what what you're talking 2393 01:51:31,700 --> 01:51:28,739 about this but us is the perfect cover 2394 01:51:34,220 --> 01:51:31,710 of it if something military crashes they 2395 01:51:36,319 --> 01:51:34,230 call it a UFO or in those days a flying 2396 01:51:38,450 --> 01:51:36,329 disc because they ate was described and 2397 01:51:40,669 --> 01:51:38,460 of course everybody goes running off in 2398 01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:40,679 the wrong direction and the answer could 2399 01:51:43,419 --> 01:51:42,090 have been right under their nose but 2400 01:51:47,390 --> 01:51:43,429 they couldn't see it 2401 01:51:49,580 --> 01:51:47,400 it's the perfect cover-up if you had to 2402 01:51:51,290 --> 01:51:49,590 add something had it in the open well 2403 01:51:53,029 --> 01:51:51,300 yeah and not only that when you go back 2404 01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,039 to the ones you're when you have that 2405 01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:55,440 lump of rock or piece of rock you have 2406 01:52:02,089 --> 01:51:58,320 actually got a piece on my on my next to 2407 01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:02,099 me here that I got from Roswell running 2408 01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:06,210 around in the desert thanks to you all 2409 01:52:14,359 --> 01:52:09,199 kinds of strange creatures there but 2410 01:52:17,299 --> 01:52:14,369 yeah I mean there is a gentleman called 2411 01:52:17,870 --> 01:52:17,309 Nick Redfern he's an expert lives in the 2412 01:52:20,089 --> 01:52:17,880 States 2413 01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:20,099 yeah and he's of a similar opinion to 2414 01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:22,289 you we believes that whatever happened 2415 01:52:29,390 --> 01:52:27,000 at Roswell was a mess made by the 2416 01:52:32,899 --> 01:52:29,400 military let's face it they've done that 2417 01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:32,909 down the years it's not uncommon and 2418 01:52:39,049 --> 01:52:35,130 that it was covered up he he's even 2419 01:52:42,049 --> 01:52:39,059 speculated that the the the aliens in 2420 01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:42,059 inverted commas were actually Japanese 2421 01:52:47,089 --> 01:52:44,610 prisoners of war I never thought it was 2422 01:52:49,310 --> 01:52:47,099 equals against the human rights would 2423 01:52:52,819 --> 01:52:49,320 never admit it and you know and so on 2424 01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:52,829 and Nick has written two books about 2425 01:52:58,189 --> 01:52:56,010 this split you're right I mean something 2426 01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:58,199 definitely crashed in Roswell even even 2427 01:53:01,939 --> 01:53:00,000 the powers that be in the United States 2428 01:53:04,029 --> 01:53:01,949 will admit that they claim it was a 2429 01:53:08,359 --> 01:53:04,039 balloon of some description or another 2430 01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:08,369 that you know the alien autopsy whether 2431 01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:10,230 you like it or not Spears's 2432 01:53:17,569 --> 01:53:13,920 is intrusively linked to Roswell I mean 2433 01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:17,579 I mean in fairness I won't give him much 2434 01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,650 credit but Santilli when I first talked 2435 01:53:23,629 --> 01:53:21,119 to him about this 2436 01:53:29,449 --> 01:53:23,639 didn't call it Roswell he called it ro 2437 01:53:30,589 --> 01:53:29,459 as well yes that's right you know you 2438 01:53:34,729 --> 01:53:30,599 know when you meet people that can't 2439 01:53:37,399 --> 01:53:34,739 spell one thing you see when you see a 2440 01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:37,409 trait that you see is that they spell 2441 01:53:43,310 --> 01:53:40,800 things the way they say them yeah okay 2442 01:53:48,259 --> 01:53:43,320 and often in our fate they don't get it 2443 01:53:51,949 --> 01:53:48,269 right ray is not a great speller and and 2444 01:53:55,370 --> 01:53:51,959 for example Rosewell is a little bit of 2445 01:54:00,949 --> 01:53:55,380 his mannerism and he'd not been able to 2446 01:54:04,429 --> 01:54:00,959 turn his tongue to rose well yeah I mean 2447 01:54:06,140 --> 01:54:04,439 me me you're not recognized by my accent 2448 01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:06,150 that I'm from up north anyway you know 2449 01:54:11,839 --> 01:54:09,119 oh yeah I understand that but listen 2450 01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,849 we're gonna have to call it a day this 2451 01:54:18,529 --> 01:54:14,239 but us we've just about run out of time 2452 01:54:20,719 --> 01:54:18,539 it was fun well you know on behalf of 2453 01:54:23,359 --> 01:54:20,729 myself and Chris and inside Outer Limits 2454 01:54:26,330 --> 01:54:23,369 we know you're a busy man then we know 2455 01:54:31,699 --> 01:54:26,340 you I've got all things up your sleeve 2456 01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:31,709 like most magicians do would sincerely 2457 01:54:36,830 --> 01:54:34,320 like to thank you for your time we wish 2458 01:54:42,109 --> 01:54:36,840 you every success with your planned 2459 01:54:47,029 --> 01:54:42,119 movie documentary series and listening 2460 01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:47,039 inverted commas again possible book when 2461 01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:49,110 some of these come off because I've no 2462 01:54:53,209 --> 01:54:51,689 doubt they will perhaps you'll be able 2463 01:54:57,890 --> 01:54:53,219 to find the time to talk to us again 2464 01:54:59,810 --> 01:54:57,900 okay thank you guys Outer Limits 2465 01:55:02,750 --> 01:54:59,820 magazine are pleased to announce the 2466 01:55:05,239 --> 01:55:02,760 date and the venue for Oh 2019 Outer 2467 01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:05,249 Limits magazine conference this will be 2468 01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:08,159 our third such events the date Saturday 2469 01:55:14,029 --> 01:55:11,760 the 17th of August 2019 and the venue 2470 01:55:17,779 --> 01:55:14,039 will be the Pontefract town halls 2471 01:55:20,299 --> 01:55:17,789 assembly rooms we have seating for 250 2472 01:55:23,149 --> 01:55:20,309 at ground level this is a strictly 2473 01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:23,159 limited number so access is on a 2474 01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:25,679 first-come first-served basis this 2475 01:55:31,339 --> 01:55:28,650 fantastic venue is situated close to all 2476 01:55:34,250 --> 01:55:31,349 three of Pontefract railway stations 2477 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:34,260 with monk Hill being the closest 2478 01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:36,090 literally a 10-minute walk away from the 2479 01:55:40,940 --> 01:55:38,970 venue bills traveling by car car parking 2480 01:55:43,310 --> 01:55:40,950 is less than a five-minute walk from the 2481 01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:43,320 venue and it's currently charged at four 2482 01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:45,750 pound fifty all day the paunchy front 2483 01:55:50,150 --> 01:55:47,250 bus station is less than two minutes 2484 01:55:52,250 --> 01:55:50,160 away from the venue and saturday is also 2485 01:55:54,530 --> 01:55:52,260 a ponte forex market day with many 2486 01:55:57,470 --> 01:55:54,540 facilities available there is also a 2487 01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:57,480 many sandwich shops fish and chip shops 2488 01:56:02,690 --> 01:56:00,000 and other types of food available all 2489 01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:02,700 within a five-minute walk of the venue 2490 01:56:08,540 --> 01:56:05,130 and Pontefract as good access to both 2491 01:56:10,580 --> 01:56:08,550 the m1 and the m62 it is with honor 2492 01:56:12,290 --> 01:56:10,590 and a little bit of excitement that 2493 01:56:15,740 --> 01:56:12,300 outer limits magazine can now announce 2494 01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:15,750 the speakers for each 2019 event towards 2495 01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:17,490 the events working under the banner 2496 01:56:22,940 --> 01:56:20,400 title of the closest of encounters as 2497 01:56:25,670 --> 01:56:22,950 always shall be Outer Limits magazine 2498 01:56:27,770 --> 01:56:25,680 editor Chris Evers it will present a 2499 01:56:30,230 --> 01:56:27,780 talk on a subject irrelevant to the 2500 01:56:32,540 --> 01:56:30,240 theme of the conference making his Outer 2501 01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:32,550 Limits magazine conference debut shall 2502 01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:35,280 be author and experience her Philip 2503 01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:37,650 Kinsella who shall discuss is an 2504 01:56:42,710 --> 01:56:39,810 extremely close encounter event and 2505 01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:42,720 personal experiences making his third 2506 01:56:48,050 --> 01:56:45,060 appearance and out limits magazine event 2507 01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:48,060 will be Paul Sinclair to discuss more 2508 01:56:50,930 --> 01:56:50,130 details of his investigation and 2509 01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:50,940 findings 2510 01:56:55,700 --> 01:56:53,370 Outer Limits magazine associate editor 2511 01:56:58,160 --> 01:56:55,710 Malcolm Robinson will be returning to 2512 01:57:00,830 --> 01:56:58,170 discuss his new publication all about 2513 01:57:03,290 --> 01:57:00,840 the bobtail a close encounter or as it's 2514 01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:03,300 also known the dekma Woods incident and 2515 01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:05,250 is with great honor that we announce our 2516 01:57:10,940 --> 01:57:07,890 very special speaker making a trip to 2517 01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:10,950 the United Kingdom from America with 2518 01:57:15,500 --> 01:57:12,690 what shall be his first of a visit to 2519 01:57:17,810 --> 01:57:15,510 the UK to present its own star rate in a 2520 01:57:19,460 --> 01:57:17,820 public forum that shall be the only 2521 01:57:22,180 --> 01:57:19,470 remaining witness to this famous 2522 01:57:24,260 --> 01:57:22,190 pascagoula abduction Calvin Parker 2523 01:57:26,330 --> 01:57:24,270 without a doubt this will be a 2524 01:57:28,490 --> 01:57:26,340 once-in-a-lifetime chance to meet and 2525 01:57:31,250 --> 01:57:28,500 hear Calvin's most intriguing case 2526 01:57:33,770 --> 01:57:31,260 straight from the only surviving witness 2527 01:57:36,530 --> 01:57:33,780 working alongside our limits magazine is 2528 01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:36,540 michael boost of the new inside our 2529 01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:38,970 limits radio show that's philip mantle 2530 01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:41,490 the publisher of flying disc press and 2531 01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:44,010 philip is no stranger to investigations 2532 01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:46,050 himself we are extremely grateful for 2533 01:57:50,729 --> 01:57:48,130 Philips continued support of our limits 2534 01:57:53,340 --> 01:57:50,739 zyne and our endeavors tickets for the 2535 01:57:55,590 --> 01:57:53,350 day are priced at 20 pound each plus a 1 2536 01:57:59,490 --> 01:57:55,600 pound 8g paypal fee and are now 2537 01:58:06,030 --> 01:57:59,500 available to order at chris zero five 2538 01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:06,040 nine seven dots Wix site comm /out er - 2539 01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:09,850 limits - mag and remember we have 2540 01:58:15,330 --> 01:58:12,610 strictly a limited seating available to 2541 01:58:17,220 --> 01:58:15,340 a maximum 250 since the announcement the 2542 01:58:20,250 --> 01:58:17,230 tickets were available they have already 2543 01:58:22,410 --> 01:58:20,260 started selling and very quickly so 2544 01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:22,420 don't miss out get your tickets straight 2545 01:58:26,850 --> 01:58:24,730 away and tickets shall be posted out so 2546 01:58:29,129 --> 01:58:26,860 please I'll at least 14 days to receive 2547 01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:29,139 them we'll see you there December the 2548 01:58:33,959 --> 01:58:32,050 1st 2018 we'll see issue 17 of our 2549 01:58:36,540 --> 01:58:33,969 limits magazine published have you 2550 01:58:39,060 --> 01:58:36,550 subscribed yet if not you'll be missing 2551 01:58:43,169 --> 01:58:39,070 out on the following madam it passes 2552 01:58:45,930 --> 01:58:43,179 aware mj-12 hooks is real evidence being 2553 01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:45,940 hidden why UFOs could not be entirely 2554 01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:49,210 explained by human technology - lots of 2555 01:58:54,090 --> 01:58:51,730 photographic evidence are examined we 2556 01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:54,100 revisit a classic UFO encounter from 2557 01:58:59,280 --> 01:58:57,250 Greece 100 years after the armistice we 2558 01:59:02,370 --> 01:58:59,290 take a look at the angel of Mons a 2559 01:59:05,700 --> 01:59:02,380 real-life abduction case in they came in 2560 01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:05,710 the night the greys revealed peter 2561 01:59:13,030 --> 01:59:08,320 robbins remembers our life and UFOs and 2562 01:59:15,490 --> 01:59:13,040 he thinks about boo Dawkins life on Mars 2563 01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:15,500 the world to Pascagoula a research trip 2564 01:59:20,820 --> 01:59:18,230 from 1981 which is a review of this 2565 01:59:26,500 --> 01:59:20,830 classic abduction with you